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Williams diffuser illegal??
Francesc (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 18:03
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Teams to seek diffuser clarification
Rival Formula One teams are set to request a rules clarification from the FIA about the design of the diffusers on the Williams and Toyota cars, this week's Autosport magazine reveals.

The two outfits are alone in having opted for a different design concept at the rear of the car compared to their rivals.

The diffusers at the rear of the Williams FW31 and the Toyota TF109 appear to exceed the maximum height of 175 mm at their peak through clever aerodynamic shaping of the rear crash structure.

Although both teams are confident that their designs are within the regulations, rivals outfits have expressed curiosity in the way their diffusers have been shaped - especially because it could give them an advantage in slow speed corners.

It is understood that several teams are looking at seeking clarification from the FIA about the matter, with Renault the first to confirm it will do so.

Renault executive director of engineering Pat Symonds told Autosport: "They (the diffusers) are certainly interesting, although I don't think I can comment on their legality.

"That's something for the FIA to comment on. We will be asking the FIA about it, but we haven't yet."

The Williams diffuser has a low centre section, well below the 175mm height limit, before a higher steeper element further back creates a second section around the rear crash structure.

The extra area of the Toyota diffuser is based in a 15 centimetre wide zone at the centre of the car where teams are allowed to fit extra bodywork. This has created a longer centre tunnel for air.

This week's Autosport magazine carries a full graphical analysis of the Williams and Toyota diffusers.

Because the regulations have changed so much this year, there is a high chance that further areas of car design will come under scrutiny over the course of the season as teams push to find loopholes in the new rules.

Teams who are concerned that an area they are developing may be questionable, can ask the FIA for a clarification about their design.

Furthermore, rival outfits can also seek answers from the governing body about the legitimacy of design features they have spotted on rival cars and may want to incorporate themselves.

An outright question about the legality of a rival car can only be lodged on a grand prix weekend, when a protest would need to be handed in to the race stewards.

Really nice to see the team trying innovative ideas, keep them coming (Sm152)

 
Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
pgj (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 18:31
I second that sentiment.

Blimey! Williams producing something that gets up other teams' noses!



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Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
RA106 (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 19:44
you do realise that if it is illegal you will need to remove it and possibly redesign the back of the car right?



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Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
Mehryar (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 20:36
I hope it's legal, because redesigning an important part in a short time, won't help us.but if it's legal, great job by the team for new ideas and such a detailed job.



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Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
gabal (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 20:49
It is what F1 is all about - going to the limit and finding loopholes in rules to acquire advantage... We'll see about legality soon enough.



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Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
j-s (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 20:54
Fingers crossed.

I remember a few years back, around 03 maybe, that Williams had an illegal diffuser that had to be changed. Let's hope that's not the case this year.

If it is legal rest assured most teams will try it out and incorporate it into their designs if it gives them more performance. I assume this would be the case- otherwise why would they question its legality.

Good to see some creative designs from the team.

Any word on the Ferrari exhausts?

 
Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
Toyrulli (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 20:55
I wonder if Toyota and Williams consulted eachother on this given they work together on some things.

Hopefully its legal for both teams.

 
Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
Mehryar (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 21:26
j-s I think you're pointing to 2001 when diffuser was called to be making a dead area behind the car or something like.within 2 races, 2 cars crashed into our cars when chasing the car down.



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Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
tomazy (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 21:58
pictures

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Well may two cents. Williamss difuzor clearly has two parts, the legality of the lower part is not in quiestion, the problem is the upper part. If that part chanelles the air from the bottom of the car, than I would say it is iligal, but if that upper part of the difuzor is fore chaneling the hot air from the sidepods than I gues it is ok. The Toyota on the other hand is diffirent, it makes good of the regulation that in the 15cm in the middle of the car you can do what ever you want almost, so I gues it is legal. If it is not legal, all those small wings on the rear crash structure that we have seen in the past werent legal also, or the special Monaco rear wing from toyota last year that had a hole there in one of the elements, to becoming a 3 element rear wing in the 15cm middle and it was past as legal. So i gues this is ok too. All the others al just angry that they didnt think of that and that they will have to copy it, at lest i hope so

 
Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
Greenmachine (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 22:12
I agree with your assessment Tomazy, especially about Williams' diffuser. If the top element vents heat from the side pods (which i strongly suspect that it does because I can't find any other outlet besides right next to the exhausts), then it should be legal. Very clever.

Why am I excited? Williams developed a part that other teams are jealous of... Williams testing two different engine covers and two different noses on their First Test... Williams using rear wheel covers...

They finally look up to speed. I hope they are competitive.

 
Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
drunkmunky (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 22:23
why do you people keep on posting that williams shot. The entire rear end of that car is pitch black. You can't see anything, far be it the diffuser. Post up another one damnit.

 
Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
tomazy (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 22:29
this picture ilustrates my point weary weel I think. I will send a better picture as soon as i found one, i have seen a giant one somewear.

 
Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
gabal (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 23:40
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j-s
Good to see some creative designs from the team.

Any word on the Ferrari exhausts?
They allready tested with modified (shortened but not covered) exhausts.


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Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
Bond (IP Logged)
28 January, 2009 23:53
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drunkmunky
why do you people keep on posting that williams shot. The entire rear end of that car is pitch black. You can't see anything, far be it the diffuser. Post up another one damnit.

Haha _ IWas just thinking the same thing!

 
Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
myhead (IP Logged)
29 January, 2009 00:25
wrong pic, sorry!



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Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
j-s (IP Logged)
29 January, 2009 01:34
Thanks Mehryar on the diffuser and gabal on the Ferrari exhausts. Nice to have diehard fans on hand for life's pressing questions... cheers guys

I think the picture shows what the complaint is about... no need for a more detailed look, at least in opinion.

Another thing about that pic of the Williams: looks great, doesn't it? Very mechanical, stripped design. Also, the exhausts are eyes; the LEDs a nose; and the "illegal" diffuser a mouth. 16 drivers will see our car stare back at them when we overtake them. Amen

 
Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
campos7 (IP Logged)
29 January, 2009 01:52
you can see good pics of diffuser here:

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Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
myhead (IP Logged)
29 January, 2009 03:48
i still dunno how should diffuser look like! the legal one!

 
Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
WILLIAMS-F1-Fan (IP Logged)
29 January, 2009 05:44
Williams' diffuser is smaller than the Toybota

I don't get why teams are suddenly afraid of Williams. They've been a sleeping giant for the past 4 seasons waiting for a chance to wake up and...

other teams are just @#$%& because they want to know whats under the skin of the car.



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Re: Williams diffuser illegal??
myhead (IP Logged)
29 January, 2009 05:47
They've been a sleeping giant for the past 4 seasons waiting for a chance to wake up and...

and not to be like HONDA, i wish!!!!!

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