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Williams' 2010 Engine
Greenmachine (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 14:35
It appears that Williams F1 are sticking with Toyota engines for next season.

After going through various F1 news sites this morning, it appears as though the Cosworth engines next season won't be rev limited.

What is your take on this? Do you think Williams, regardless if they will or not, should stick with Toyota motors or go for Cosworth motors?

Personally, I love the low end grunt that Toyota Engines, but a de-limited Cosworth just sounds plain tempting. Although the grunt and reliability has done well for the Fw31 this season.

 
Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
F1R (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 14:47
Stick with Toyota, there's more to engines than top-end rpm. Tis the drivability mantra...

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Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
Damon'sFW18 (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 14:49
Cosworths do sound tempting as they were one of the first of the current V8's to break the 20K RPM line, but when we used them in 2006 we had to lower the rev limiter due to some faulty con-rods in the early races. Apart from that - and the FW28's shortcomings - it was a powerful engine.

 
Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
gpl (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 15:04
Tough call

The cosworth was going really well round monaco untill unreliability showed up, but not sure if it was engine or other parts of the car.
But traction and low end grunt was there.

Depends on what we have to sacrifice to stick with Toyota ,if anything, next year and onwards.

The Toyota unit is doing just fine at present.



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Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
gabal (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 15:34
Toyota is most reliable engine of the field at the moment and with new eninge-conservation rules it will be a big challenge to Cosworth. Besides, that is only there to compensate that that engine wasn't developed for 2 seasons now... If there is an advantage it will last for just one season.



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Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
F1R (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 15:41
One aspect in favour of using the Cosworth engine is the amount of units that will be running per race, and the subsequent development advantage that may result. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would be a minimum of eight lumps running per race... Interesting prospect.

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Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
Damon'sFW18 (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 16:10
I suppose there are three factors that will determine whether we stick with the Toyota or go with the Cosworth;

1. Nakajima - if Sir Frank decides to ditch him, would Toyota take our engines away or hike up the costs for them?

2. Costs - leading on from the previous point, Sir Frank will be crunching his numbers over what can be saved from using the Cosworth, and at the same time the costs of leaving Toyota.

3. Toyota's participation in F1 - If Toyota decided to leave F1 or were forced out by the current FIA/FOTA debacle would they take their engines with them or start a relationship with us like in the Renault days?

 
Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
PastorCrashdonado (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 17:14
Definetly stay with Toyota, be with the same engine for more years can only be a beneficit

 
Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
crusty_bread (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 19:11
For every team we beat next year with an unlimited Cosworth engine, a protest would be lodged by that team. This rule is to help new teams get up-to-speed, not for big boys like us.

 
Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
Lamag (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 19:13
What about swicth to BMW or Mercedes Engine?

 
Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
gabal (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 19:45
I don't think BMW are going to supply any engines, especially not to us. Mercedes is an interesing option on the other hand.



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Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
crusty_bread (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 20:56
Problem is Mercedes have said they will only supply three teams- they have a new and highly integrated relationship with Force India, Brawn are unlikely to be dropped, and they are co-owners of McLaren. If they did drop any of these teams, and thats a big if, then Red Bull are courting Mercedes too- so our prospects of securing Mercedes power looks fairly bleak IMO.

 
Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
GroveF1 (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 21:53
I do believe toyota's engines are the ones to have, but ot at the cost of nakajima - i feel it is holding us to ransom

 
Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
PABLO 27 (IP Logged)
18 June, 2009 22:33
I think our partnership with Toyota is good, I don΄t see any engine at the momente really better than other, is not like Honda, Renault vs Judd or Lamborghini in the early 90΄s



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Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
Andrew Hooper (IP Logged)
19 June, 2009 02:04
If Toyota goes with the FOTA breakaway series where does that leave Williams and their supply of Toyota engines. Especially if under the FIA series the engines are given more freedom. I can't imagine Toyota wanting to develop two types of engines.

 
Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
SonnyT (IP Logged)
19 June, 2009 02:15
Williams could be screwed, or FIA will let them switch to Cosworth. Cosworth may be the only engine supplier to F1 next year.

 
Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
myhead (IP Logged)
19 June, 2009 03:06
yeah Formula Cosworth, not Formula One anymore!

 
Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
StuffOfLegend (IP Logged)
19 June, 2009 05:13
Quote:
Andrew Hooper
If Toyota goes with the FOTA breakaway series where does that leave Williams and their supply of Toyota engines. Especially if under the FIA series the engines are given more freedom. I can't imagine Toyota wanting to develop two types of engines.

I'm not 100% certain, but I am under the impression that Williams engine supply has little to do with cologne, and I think the come directly from Toyota's Fuji-Higachi tech center in Japan.

I stand to be corrected.



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Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
williams no.1 (IP Logged)
19 June, 2009 05:30
dont you think toyota is playin a very good game here, by continuing the supply of engines to williams, and also being part of touted rebel series, they are the only confirmed manufacturer in next yrs FIA championship (supplier to williams), they have presence in both the series,they have a win win situation here, if f1 flops next yr then they can look forward to rebel series and vice versa.


a very smart move i would say.


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Re: Williams' 2010 Engine
gabal (IP Logged)
19 June, 2009 05:34
Situation isn't as clear as before, that is for sure. I'm certain Mercedes will continue to supply FIF1 as they just signed the deal with them.
Manufacturers supply engines to different championships, I don't see why they would stop to do it now.



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