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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: ratiofblack (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 00:35

development without money ++ is nothing! just look at redbull, force india & toro roso. another 2-3 years lotus and virgin also will infront of us! im very sure! there will buy anything, there are bussiness!

-come on big money!

Re: FW32 development
Posted by: Mr. Pink (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 08:52

Finally we can hear some honest inside info. This is so refreshing after years of that stupid PR stuff we hear from the drivers and Sam.



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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: gpl (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 08:57

It saves on some on this board making excusess for the team all the time, and confirms what others think.
That should stop some of the petty arguments.
Thanks Ruby, it allways pays to be honest and up front, and not hide the facts or the truth., only that way can we work together and move forward.



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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: gpl (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 09:42

It will be interesting in 4 or 5 races to see if and when all these area,s are optimised to Ruby,s satifaction then we will know if williams have built a good car , or just average, then williams will have a big decision to make if it turns out to be average,but for the time being i will think on the positive.
Maybe it will just need a good driver to sort these things out , or maybe we need more changes in the technical side of the team.
By mid season we should know either way.

Re: FW32 development
Posted by: pgj (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 09:59

I can't think of one poster here that would want to be starting the season from the point that we are currently at. Every time we change an engine, my expectations are low for the following season. Williams, historically, generally has a poor season. The hope is always there that it will be possible to do a Brawn. But the Brawn was an exception, both in terms of the length of time that the car was being developed and the amount of money that was spent on it. They admit that they lucked into integrating the Merc engine into the chassis. It caused them virtually no problems.

We must take what is being said about the car at face value. Sam is coming under the spotlight but he is working under the most restrictive testing rules F1 has ever had. I am not making excuses for him in any shape or form. The first test was restricted to the CA2010. All of the remaining tests were wet at one time or another. His comments about the car seem plausible. I shall be looking for a significant improvement very early into the European season.

If we do not get WCC P5 then questions will be asked. It will be interesting to monitor the reaction of our new silent board member if there is not an upturn in performance.



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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: pgj (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 10:29

It will be interesting to see how quickly these areas of optimisation come on-line. It would be nice to see some on the car in Oz.



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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: Bond (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 13:57

Quote:
gpl
From Atlas forum
I don't think it's looking hopeless, even though as Rubens says, he doesn't see himself winning races in the near future.

Just thinking: if the Bahrein upgrade had worked and instead of losing 0.2sec (and therefore retaining status quo by running the Barcelona package) they would have gained 0.2 sec, by my calculations Rubens would have been 6th. Not a huge achievement but instead of being slightly slower than Renault and Force India, we would be slightly faster than them, IMHO. We would probably also have qualified slightly better, and finished slightly ahead of Jenson and Michael, who didn't look very comfortable in that car yet. Again, who knows for sure, but 0.2 could have really meant a lot.

Anyway, here's more quotes from Rubens. I think it's great that he speaks his mind and there's no other driver in the grid that brings us so much information about how his team is doing - if I'm wrong will someone please correct me... the quotes are from Brazilian site Tazio and the website has the audio of its interviews, lest someone thinks I make up these quotes, as has been suggested elsewhere...

"The race itself was like when you study a lot to get approved into a college, and then you find yourself in a different situation then you thought you would... at the start, I pushed every button that I could push, but there was a problem that I reported to the team: my brakes were locking a bit excessively in the back, they were warming up only in the back. So I had to be very careful at the start of the race and even lost a position to Liuzzi."

"Williams did not make a dud of a car. It wasn't a case where the car is born with problems. The car is not a bad car, but it has problems in some areas that can be addressed".

"It's no time for excuses. That's the truth. The car is not very competitive right now, the four teams [Ferrari, Red Bull, McLaren, Mercedes] are ahead of us, we also have Force India there, and Renault there, and I need to put myself in this situation where I can try to start 7th or 8th, and score points from 5th to 10th, in this early part [of the season]".

"I think we can score points in these first 5 races, 1-5 points per race. Besides that, we will need to be a bit lucky and we will need to qualify ahead of ourselves"

Here's the meat and potatoes:

"We are extracting a midfield performance from the car, we ended 15sec from the 4th and 5th placed car, which isn't terrible, but it's far from perfect, because we lack in traction and we have an electronics problem where changing gears is a bit slow. I don't think we're extracting all the available performance from the car. I'm sure that this traction problem can be fixed. Once we get our aerodynamics improvements and we fix our eletronics issues with the gear changes, we can have a significant improvement. But I don't know if we can get to the top at this season and I'm not even asking myself if we can, though that is ultimately the goal".

"We might surprise people on some days. I had a very atypical Friday, didn't do a lot of running because we had problems, then we found more problems on Saturday morning. And at qualifying I still qualified 11th and almost made it into the 3rd qualy [despite all problems], so I still think that from time to time, Williams can surprise people".

There you have it. A very driven, very focused driver who knows what he's doing, knows what goes on with the car, knows what can be improved and who can clearly help Williams get back to the top. Count me in as a Barrica fan

Also to Cosworth, they clearly have created a very competitive engine that has power, reliability and consumption seems OK too

Thankyou.

Yeah - I believe pgj quoted it this past Sunday:

Re: FW32 development
Posted by: gpl (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 13:59

Very sorry im sure
Shoot me

Re: FW32 development
Posted by: Bond (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 14:00

Every1 makes mistakes..including williams.

Re: FW32 development
Posted by: gpl (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 14:03

I try not to make the same mistake year, after year, after year,after year, after year.

Re: FW32 development
Posted by: pgj (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 14:07

Quote:
gpl
I try not to make the same mistake year, after year, after year,after year, after year.

LOL! Come on gpl, its not that bad! Cheer up mate, things will get better.



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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: Bond (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 14:14

Quote:
gpl
I try not to make the same mistake year, after year, after year,after year, after year.

But the difference is you quoted something that resonated & provided positive feedback.
Anything williams copies, seems to make us go backwards! LOL!

I kid!

Re: FW32 development
Posted by: gpl (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 14:20

Yea
Keeping the faith, just about tho.

(Sm128)

Re: FW32 development
Posted by: pgj (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 14:21

I'll drink to that.

(Sm42)

That's more like it!



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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: WILLIAMS-F1-Fan (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 15:22

we haven't won a race since 2004...
has any other top team with more than 5 WCC gone longer without winning a race again?



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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: gabal (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 16:30

Sure - Lotus for example...



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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: pgj (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 17:18

Ferrari had a very bad time in the from the 70's until MS joined them. Ross and JT transformed the organisation.



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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: WILLIAMS-F1-Fan (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 20:37

So we're one year short of being 7yrs without a single win.



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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: MansellsMoustache (IP Logged)
Date: 21 March, 2010 09:41

Yeah, I never dreamt for one moment when JPM won at Interlagos that we would be sitting here in 2010 talking about it as our last win.

Quite the contrary, I thought our strong late-2004 improvement was a sign that 2005 might be a very good season for us. How wrong was that sad smiley



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Re: FW32 development
Posted by: pgj (IP Logged)
Date: 21 March, 2010 12:15

We have had one stutter after another since then. It has been one upheaval after another. It is probably better to think of Williams as being a new team since the BMW split. Our business model has had to change and Williams has had to reinvent itself. If we had been able to continue the Cosworth project we would have had a top podium by now. The Toyota years were a necessary part of the restructuring, as painful as some aspects of them were.



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