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Re: FW34
Bond (IP Logged)
16 February, 2012 18:49
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Thanks for the link - I've been optimistic the last 10 years.
No different this year.

It will be a step forward - couldn't get any worse than last year - it was like we were the rolling dead in 2011.

 
Re: FW34
Francesc (IP Logged)
16 February, 2012 18:58
Isn't it funny that the last two years (FW33 and FW34), our weak point seems to be the mechanical grip when traditionally has been our strongest point...

 
Re: FW34
Anderis (IP Logged)
16 February, 2012 19:49
I don't think that mechanical grip was a weak point of FW33. Two strongest performances of it were Melbourne and Monaco- circuits where mechanical grip matters more than on most other.

And about FW34, let's wait for at least few races.

Yes, there were some comments about our weakness in slow corners. But if mechanical grip is as bad, Monaco and Australia shouldn't be only circuits on which FW33 really had the pace to finish the race in top 8.

 
Re: FW34
Pancho Pepe (IP Logged)
16 February, 2012 23:32
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"It is a definite step forward," said Gillan. "It is definitely a very different car and there is a lot of things that we need to start investigating and unlock because last year we could not go down those particular routes because we were prevented by the way the car behaved or the way it used its tyres."
He added: "It is clear that the car is very different to last year. And there are certain areas where we need to improve. Set-up tends to take a while to iterate too, and certainly that is what we will be looking to in the next couple of tests.

"Sometimes the car can not look good in certain areas but there is not much laptime by improving those specific things, but in areas such as the low speed, where you get most lap time to gain, those are areas to investigate to always try to improve."


Its encouraging to know that we actually do have a solid platform to work on in 2012.

Without the fundamentals being right from the beginning, its impossible to work effectively during the year.

We, Williams fans, are going to be very, very happy in 2013.

I will be very happy for Pastor, in particular... the FW33 was such a disappointment, especially for a rookie.

 
Re: FW34
Bond (IP Logged)
17 February, 2012 18:57
Beautiful album here:

[formula12012testjerez.blogspot.com]

 
Re: FW34
Anderis (IP Logged)
18 February, 2012 13:50
[www.flickr.com]

What is this hole down/left from 19 number, with the tape above?

 
Re: FW34
Vancha (IP Logged)
18 February, 2012 14:52
I asked the same question in f1technical, but no one has an opinion, except Francesc : )

 
Re: FW34
Anderis (IP Logged)
18 February, 2012 17:26
I asked here, cause I have seen no one answering it on f1technical. winking smiley

Well, maybe the tape above has something to do with sensors of temperature? Maybe it's some kind of floor blowing, or whatever? I hope it is something clever which will give us an advantage.

 
Re: FW34
Francesc (IP Logged)
18 February, 2012 18:42
I think it for having an easier access to the KERS system.

 
Re: FW34
drunkmunky (IP Logged)
18 February, 2012 19:53
^^ KERS shut off switch

 
Re: FW34
JaimeAbraham (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 03:23
SehnKhan......where are you?
just read this from Adrian Newey about Mercedes car:

"I assume that they want to hide something from the competition," Newey admitted to Sport Bild. "It must be something that can be copied quite quickly; otherwise they wouldn't try so hard to keep it secret."

so, its hard for SehnKhan and easy for Adrian Newey......



"viva mexico"

 
Re: FW34
SehnKhan (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 04:39
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

If you're happy with Williams copying others and flattering the opposition then keep it up.

I'd rather beat them. And you beat your opposition by being innovitive and clever.

And clever people understand that simply copying ideas doesn't work.

Clever people like 99% of this forum. Clever people like 100% of the technical people in Formula 1.

Be may you continue to be the minority JaimeAbraham - Adrian Newey is right - things can be copied quickly. But notice he doesn't say "everything can be copied successfully", or "success is derived from how quickly you can copy another teams ideas" - no? Because Adrian Newey understands there is so much more to Formula 1 then simply stealing other teams ideas. He understands that every single car is complex in its design, and that aero packages, suspension packages, cooling packages - in fact every component of every different car is, well, DIFFERENT - and that simply copying an idea WILL. NOT. WORK!

Adrian Newey didn't earn the title of best aerodynamicist and technical engineer in Formula 1 by copying the ideas of others - he gained that reputation by being an innovator, a pioneer of new design traits and technical know-how!

So continue to pedal this theory of copying everything JaimeAbraham. But think of this, those who spend time copying are always on the back foot, always a couple of steps behind the opposition. Those who are innovitive are always pushing ahead, leading from the front.

The rest of us will go about our business because we actually understand how Formula 1 works.

Enjoy talking to yourself from now on JaimeAbraham.



http://i66.tinypic.com/fks0li.jpg

SehnKhan & WILLIAMS MARTINI RACING - Together Since 1989

 
Re: FW34
JaimeAbraham (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 08:24
should i agree with you than "Adrian Newey"?



"viva mexico"

 
Re: FW34
Anderis (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 08:32
You should rather realise that what SehnKhan is writing isn't really opposite to what's Newey said.

Sometimes you can copy others easy and gain much benefits.

Sometimes you can copy others easy, but you won't gain benefits.

Sometimes you can get much benefits, but it will be hard to copy.

Sometimes you can get much benefits, but it will be impossible to copy (homologated parts etc.)

Parts aren't working in isolation. If something works on one car, it doesn't mean that it will work on other car. Sometimes you would have to change half of the car to make sence of copying one part from another car.

Simplifying for you:
Newey is talking that sometimes it gives an advantage when you copy others. But he has nowhere said that it always gives advantage.
Newey talks that the glass is half full.
SehnKhan talks that the glass is half empty.
Both are right.
You claim that the glass is thoroughly full, cause Newey said that it is half full.
You are wrong.
That's it.

 
Re: FW34
Beer_Stalker (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 09:53
Williams will have people who's job is to study the other cars. They will decide if a concept is worth exploring and the difference between them and us is they have CFD data to go on.

 
Re: FW34
rpaloschi (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 11:29
Don't feed the troll guys... What an inconvenient person...

 
Re: FW34
JaimeAbraham (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 12:08
what i'm saying the day before the "newey news" is the same thing. it's ok if you hate me but wtf you agree with newey but not with me?

do you really know who is Adrian Newey?



"viva mexico"

 
Re: FW34
Anderis (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 12:57
Sorry Jaime, your bad luck is that I'm patient for people and your trolling doesn't bother me. grinning smiley

I do not hate anybody. I'm talking only about what you are writing, not about you.

I guess you are Adrian Newey, if I cannot do agree with him but don't with you?

If you are so well-oriented, why don't you start with your own F1 team? You could prove that you know better than us, better than Williams guys and maybe even better than Newey!

You should be able to attract sponsorship from company which are making photocopying machine. Your philisophy "let's copy others" will suit ideally for them.

Then copy front wing from Ferrari, rear wing from McLaren, sidepods from Lotus, engine cover from Red Bull, suspension from Mercedes and you have the fastest car! It will beat others even without engine.
Your huge sponsorship from photocopying machines companies will allow you to stay on top when other team bosses realise that your approach was right and will copy everything from everybody.
Then for 2014, Red Bull will copy all Ferrari car, while Ferrari will copy all Red Bull car. But you will be still on top, as you will copy both of them.

It's a pity that I haven't any factory in my home. I would just produce a Red Bull front wing, McLaren sidepods and Ferrari suspension and Mercedes gearbox, Lotus monocoque, take it together and I would have so quick car that I would win F1 race even if it would be me behind the steering wheel!

 
Re: FW34
TerraNova19 (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 13:04
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Anderis
Sorry Jaime, your bad luck is that I'm patient for people and your trolling doesn't bother me. grinning smiley
I do not hate anybody. I'm talking only about what you are writing, not about you.

I guess you are Adrian Newey, if I cannot do agree with him but don't with you?

If you are so well-oriented, why don't you start with your own F1 team? You could prove that you know better than us, better than Williams guys and maybe even better than Newey!

You should be able to attract sponsorship from company which are making photocopying machine. Your philisophy "let's copy others" will suit ideally for them.

Then copy front wing from Ferrari, rear wing from McLaren, sidepods from Lotus, engine cover from Red Bull, suspension from Mercedes and you have the fastest car! It will beat others even without engine.
Your huge sponsorship from photocopying machines companies will allow you to stay on top when other team bosses realise that your approach was right and will copy everything from everybody.
Then for 2014, Red Bull will copy all Ferrari car, while Ferrari will copy all Red Bull car. But you will be still on top, as you will copy both of them.

It's a pity that I haven't any factory in my home. I would just produce a Red Bull front wing, McLaren sidepods and Ferrari suspension and Mercedes gearbox, Lotus monocoque, take it together and I would have so quick car that I would win F1 race even if it would be me behind the steering wheel!


Anderis, you made my day! Very nice post smiling smiley

 
Re: FW34
Vancha (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 13:35
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