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Re: FW34
crusty_bread (IP Logged)
13 April, 2012 11:02
Looking at the front wing, I could be wrong, but it looks like the gap between the lower two elements channel air down and inside the front wheels and under the car, (despite a risk of inducing lift?) whilst the the upper elements cascade the air over and outside the front wheels, making the whole section act like a complex front wheel wind-shield.
How wings have moved on from simply generating downforce and causing drag.

I wish they would do something livery-wise about that ugly patch of heat shielding behind the exhausts- I understand the reason, but surely they could come up with a less crude solution?

 
Re: FW34
mayhemfunkster (IP Logged)
13 April, 2012 12:55
Yes Crusty - Front Wing design is complicated in concept as well as function now!

The question I have is always: Is this focus on transporting air to other parts of the car due to advances in knowledge and technology or is it the 2009 big wings rule?

Prior to 2009, the aim always seemed to be to get as much downforce off the wing as was possible which being beneign. The 2009-present wings can create so much downforce that it was no longer necessary to get the maximum out of the rules in this area. I wonder if this is why teams now look to finesse air to other parts of the car, rather than just raw downforce.

I wish Gary Anderson would do a thumping great article on it!



mayhemlurker ;-)

 
Re: FW34
Mikef1 (IP Logged)
13 April, 2012 13:46
monkey seat was tested today too. Saw it on sky

 
Re: FW34
Mikef1 (IP Logged)
13 April, 2012 13:46
monkey seat was tested today too. Saw it on sky

 
Re: FW34
roadie (IP Logged)
13 April, 2012 22:01
I've noticed a new(?) fin on the floor between the edge of the diffuser and the inside of each tyre. Here are two photos that show what I'm talking about. One from the rear and one from the front quarter view.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/will-mald-shan-2012-8.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/will-bott-shan-2012-3.jpg

 
Re: FW34
Mikef1 (IP Logged)
13 April, 2012 23:06
Great spot!

 
Re: FW34
Damon96 (IP Logged)
14 April, 2012 22:19
Sauber are looking very good at the moment, to think with the@#$%&Cosworth in 2010 we were equal if not better than them, they've really come on in the last two years. It's not like they seem to have much money. I wonder how much better their CFD is, I'm sure I read BMW invested heavily in it before they pulled out. James Key surely can't stay out of F1 that long, he's produced some good cars with FI and Sauber.

 
Re: FW34
rpralon (IP Logged)
15 April, 2012 01:48
Williams x Sauber in qualify , drivers best times.

CHINA

KOBA 1:35.784 (Q3)
PEREZ 1::35.831 (Q2)
PASTOR 1:36.283 (Q2)
BRUNO 1:36.289 (Q2)


MALASIA

PEREZ 1:37.477 (Q2)
PASTOR 1:37.589 (Q2)
BRUNO 1:37.841 (Q2)
KOBA 1:38.069(Q2)


AUSTRALIA

PASTOR 1:26.206 (Q3)
KOBA 1:26.590 (Q2)
PEREZ 1:26.596(Q1)
SENNA 1:26.663 (Q2)

It seems very equal.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 15/04/2012 01:59 by rpralon.

 
Re: FW34
rpralon (IP Logged)
15 April, 2012 01:57
Quote:
Damon96
Sauber are looking very good at the moment, to think with the@#$%&Cosworth in 2010 we were equal if not better than them.

In fact Williams was better than Sauber in 2010 in both race and qualify, maybe due to the drivers:

6 Williams/Cosworth 69
7 Force India/Mercedes 68
8 BMW Sauber/Ferrari 44

 
Re: FW34
drunkmunky (IP Logged)
16 April, 2012 23:05
http://www.formula1.com/wi/0x0/sutton/2011/d12chn1512.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/0x0/sutton/2011/d12chn1518.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/0x0/sutton/2011/d12chn1427.jpg



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 16/04/2012 23:07 by drunkmunky.

 
Re: FW34
Beer_Stalker (IP Logged)
17 April, 2012 06:33
Quote:
Damon96
I wonder how much better their CFD is, I'm sure I read BMW invested heavily in it before they pulled out.

People think that Sauber is good with CFD as they had a computer they called "Albert" which was one of the fastest in the world. They made a big song & dance about it at the time. However, computing power doubles every 18 months so even Albert2 is obsolete. CFD use is limited by the RRA so no team has a significant advantage.

BTW I have one of Williams' old CFD clusters in my lab.

 
Re: FW34
roadie (IP Logged)
17 April, 2012 11:25
Nice to see the DRS open in that last pic. Maybe it's the top flap that doesn't open quite as much as some other teams that Bruno was talking about? It has to be difficult to tune it right to prevent separation etc.

 
Re: FW34
Vancha (IP Logged)
17 April, 2012 19:44
Last year we had the same problem with the bigger flap.

 
Re: FW34
solus (IP Logged)
19 April, 2012 09:07
FW33 & FW34 Fastest Lap

AUS 2011 - 1.31.404 (Ruben) 12th
AUS 2012 - 1.30.254 (Maldo) 4th

MAS 2011 - 1.45.516 (Ruben) 12th
MAS 2012 - 1.41.404 (Senna) 5th

CHI 2011 - 1.41.702 (Maldo) 12th
CHI 2012 - 1.40.482 (Maldo) 5th

FW34 totally different! Superb!

 
Re: FW34
mayhemfunkster (IP Logged)
19 April, 2012 09:10
Quote:
Beer_Stalker
People think that Sauber is good with CFD as they had a computer they called "Albert" which was one of the fastest in the world. They made a big song & dance about it at the time. However, computing power doubles every 18 months so even Albert2 is obsolete. CFD use is limited by the RRA so no team has a significant advantage.

BTW I have one of Williams' old CFD clusters in my lab.

If Sauber are doing well in that area it is more likely the full-size, top-notch wind tunnel that Peter Sauber invested in prior to BMW. I would think it is still a handy piece of kit to have in their armoury.



mayhemlurker ;-)

 
Re: FW34
drunkmunky (IP Logged)
11 May, 2012 02:05
Same wing as Bahrain

http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Williams-GP-Spanien-10-Mai-2012-19-fotoshowImageNew-8ae144b5-593808.jpg

 
Re: FW34
Mikef1 (IP Logged)
11 May, 2012 10:02
I don't know for sure but I believe that even though the wing looks the same (and it certainly does) there is something new about it. They did a lot of testing with the same looking front wing so perhaps it has a new carbon weave for flexing or some different flow conditioners behind it. Either that or they were just acquiring data for some ideas for updates.

 
Re: FW34
Francesc (IP Logged)
11 May, 2012 10:21
New turning vanes
http://i48.tinypic.com/3468i7t.jpg

 
Re: FW34
rrafekaj (IP Logged)
15 May, 2012 23:53
https://p.twimg.com/As3X3mOCEAA23Io.jpg:large
bump this with a bum shot

 
Re: FW34
16 May, 2012 00:25
Are the driveshafts made of titanium and is that it's natural colour ?

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