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Billy Monger crash and GPS
Discussion started by Ozzy Osbone , 25 May, 2017 10:47
Billy Monger crash and GPS
Ozzy Osbone 25 May, 2017 10:47
Not sure how many saw the crash in question. I was watching live as I follow BTCC and the F4 season this year is pretty epic. Future F1 star coming up in Jamie Caroline I think. Essentially Billy is at full tilt. The car in front jinks left and there is a stationary car in his path. There was zero chance to avoid. It was horrifying and while one of the commentators went a bit quiet and subdued, the other kept twittering on like an idiot. It was clearly a massive crash and filmed live, on board, it was truly terrifying. I expected the worse immediately and had that awful feeling in the pit of my stomach until I heard the 'good' news that he was alive. Fortunately the cells on these cars must be bloody strong and hopefully Billy will race again.

Now, I have read that F1 is looking at jack points as this was obviously an issue in Billy's accident. Probably forming a 'hard' point which did a lot of damage. That's OK, that is good.

But, could technology help? I have also read that Brawn wants GPS tech which could pinpoint an F1 car to within 10mm at any time. Extrapolate that to knowing exactly where each car is, how fast and in which direction it is moving. Apply this to the F4 crash and a central computer could have 'seen' that stationary car and through intervention, made sure no other car crashed into it.

That is, when a car stops, spins or is pointing in the wrong direction for any reason, the tech must exist to stop any other car colliding with it or at least reducing the speed. In this example, the car in front is seen to stop or slow dramatically. Every car behind gets a shut down within a millisecond.

This tech sort of exists in road cars through radar or similar but on a race track, there is no reason why every car cannot be monitored by GPS and other cars 'instructed'.

Maybe the purists like to see young lads crippled in the name of motorsport but I don't like things like that happening.

Re: Billy Monger crash and GPS
Alt Right Duff 25 May, 2017 16:48
Just had a look at it. Wtf happened to the stationary car. Bad accident. Billy seems a resilient lad, good luck to him in the future! I am sure his sudden weight loss would be handy in an f1 car one day!

Re: Billy Monger crash and GPS
phatjack 25 May, 2017 17:20
Watching that made me sick to my stomach. What am I missing here? Did the stationary car just come to a halt with Monger having no warning? Where were the caution flags?

Re: Billy Monger crash and GPS
Ozzy Osbone 25 May, 2017 19:17
I think it all happened too quickly for flags. The car in front moves left and there he is. I saw it live and just assumed the guy was history to be honest.

Re: Billy Monger crash and GPS
AlanJones 25 May, 2017 19:35
The stationary car, according to other forum replies, just spun and went to the safe side of the track to get back up to speed. It is an unfortunate series of events that caused little Billy to lose his feet. But I dont think that a GPS locator could ever change this. The slow car never left the track to begin with. Plus I dont think cars travelling at speeds in excess of 100mph will ever be located withing that 1cm gap that you say Ozzy.
Slow stationary objects can be located with GPS to the centimeter. But running cars? I have my doubts.

The idea is good. And I sincerely think that the tech one day will be ready for stuff like this. But there is a good reason why everyone is so hesistant towards fully autonomous cars in general. Im a computer programmer and I have my serious doubts to begin with. The Tesla autopilot system sounds great. But it depends on so many factors to even work remotely the way that Tesla wants it to. Radar, GPS, hundreds of sensors.. all need to comply withing one single program to function. And if one aspect is damaged or giving wrong readings, it is a disaster waiting to happen.

Im in no illusion that fully autonomous cars will never hit the road. Ofcourse they will. On motorways/highways to begin with it would be perfect. The systems combined of all the cars, for example on the M25, could cooperate. So if youre going from Slough to Gravesend and the cars coming on at Epsom detect that the speed is 30mph there because of it being busy on the road, your car at Slough adjusts its speed. Even though you could drive 70mph since there is no traffic, the system works to make sure that you dont get stuck in a traffic jam miles away from where you are now. That will be the future. Im sure of this. But for now, I would have my doubts. There are too many factors of interest that are a liability to the safety of the passengers that such systems are not ready yet to be road worthy. Not on the road nor on track. And it will be morally wrong to let racing drivers become test dummies for a safety feature thats not even safe yet.




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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 25/05/2017 19:37 by AlanJones.

Re: Billy Monger crash and GPS
Alt Right Duff 26 May, 2017 13:23
So alan, if the system works to not allow people to get stuck in traffic jams, how was there a traffic jam to not get stuck in in the first place?

Hahaha. Unsure why i found that so funny.

Re: Billy Monger crash and GPS
AlanJones 26 May, 2017 13:53
I know, but there is Always a reason. A sudden accident, a closure of a lane, someone walking on the motorway. You name it and it can still happen. There will Always be factors that you want to close out, but will always be a possibility of happening.

In the perfect scenario, systems like these will always prevent traffic jams. But as said, thats most likely not going to happen.




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Re: Billy Monger crash and GPS
phatjack 26 May, 2017 14:41
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Alt Right Duff
So alan, if the system works to not allow people to get stuck in traffic jams, how was there a traffic jam to not get stuck in in the first place?
Hahaha. Unsure why i found that so funny.

That fecken idiot who rides the brake on the highway causing everyone behind to do the same that's who creates the jam.

Re: Billy Monger crash and GPS
AlanJones 26 May, 2017 15:00
PJ knows who's to blame winking smiley




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Re: Billy Monger crash and GPS
Damon96 26 May, 2017 18:42
I'm not sure how this system could work in F1 - when you look at some of the closest battles, cars are within mm's of touching as drivers jink out of teh slip and over take. Road car systems would have applied the brakes long before.

Even with high precision GPS - if you try and do the analysis wayside - then you need very high speed communications with complete coverage and no gaps - and if you rely on it then high integrity in the comms and cals on the wayside which is expensive and difficult to develop and then when you factor in all the latency between GPS signal to car - car to trackside comms - calculation time - comms back to car - car responds, even in fractions of a second you could have traveled 10m if your flat out at Monza which means you've probably hit the car.

Re: Billy Monger crash and GPS
crusty_bread 26 May, 2017 21:20
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phatjack

That fecken idiot who rides the brake on the highway causing everyone behind to do the same that's who creates the jam.

Can someone tell me who's to blame when there's been an accident on the other side of the motorway, and a totally inexplicable traffic jam develops on your side, which disappears as soon as you get clear of the scene? I have absolutely no clue why this happens, but it makes me mad.

Re: Billy Monger crash and GPS
phatjack 26 May, 2017 23:08
The idiot texting or driving while impaired. Yeah, i'm guilty for slowing down because the one in front me did to. I suspect the first person to slow down did so because he thought he might be able to help.

There will come a day when drinking and driving or texting will become obsolete. Hardware just has to catch up to software, is what I think Damon96 was trying to communicate.


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