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Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
crusty_bread 14 May, 2017 00:10
Pure bullshit duffer. Read the official report. Massa needed two laps to scrape through, they then changed their approach due to overheating tyres by doing a very slow outlap in q2 which is where they made big gains. It's all on their website.

Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
phatjack 14 May, 2017 11:26
LMAO, Massa thinking he was able to qualify in 7th but is happy with 9th. Do you really believe what you read. Coincidentally Alonso qualified in 7th.

Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
Alt Right Duff 14 May, 2017 11:27
Lol, bullshit.

Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
Alt Right Duff 14 May, 2017 15:00
Where was all that good pace from lance crusty. Your support is making you look as deluded as our old friend k1.

Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
crusty_bread 16 May, 2017 16:08
remind me why you're here again?

When you've finished your jig of glee at the sight of a Williams driver struggling, lets talk.

don't make the error of trying to fit a driver into one box all the time because it requires denying certain facts- like Stroll's points-potential in Bahrain and his Massa-matching pace in Russia. That isn't delusion. That is observation. It's easy to pretend that because he has no points on the board, and had a slow race here, that he has always been slow, and always will be, but that is plainly not true.

I'll not pretend everything Lance does has been good. He's not had a good start to the season, but it's not been all bad either. Spain was a bad race. I'm not supporting Lance so much as showing him the same patience as Button and Hulkenberg deserved and defending him from undue criticisms, but in Spain, he performed worse than at other tracks and his efforts there cannot be defended beyond pointing out the obvious- that he needs to learn how to drive smoother and manage tyres better.

that said, your criticisms- like denying he has shown speed ever, or blaming him for every incident- even the ones the FIA punish the other driver for- make you look as dogmatic as...well, yourself.

The funny thing is, a betting man would still assume that at some stage this season, Stroll will have a race where he takes a strong points finish in the top 6/7, or beats Massa plain for pace, so all this crowing is really just making a rod for your own back. It's still more likely than not that he will make big gains over the next season and a half, and mature into a handy driver, but if you want to build your house on the sand, feel free. In a year's time, noone will remember your attitude. (except me)

Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
Alt Right Duff 16 May, 2017 23:41
Crusty, you will remember this post in 2026 i am sure of that, lol.

Listen, lance doesnt know how to drive an f1 car. I doubt he will ever be very good at it, some guys just dont have it. To point to a single lap where he was just 0.3 behind massa is all well and good, but f1 races are generally 60 odd laps. You can luck into one mediocre lap, but not 60. And even if he did, he would still finish 18 seconds behind massa.

Ok, qualifying is one lap, but that fluke lap is still not even enough to make him look ok. There are hundredths of seconds between 8th ad 16th, so it just wont happen. Glad to have tbis in black and white for a future slating, but i am pretty comfortable it will not happen. Lance does not deserve to be there. Wait, i mean he should not be there as a driver, not in a million years. As a $ contributor, yes. But that is what is wrong with f1 now, and is killing williams in many ways.

Wiliams were great at dragging themselves out of their pit problem. Focussed on it and became the best. I suggest their next project should be drivers.

Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
Ozzy Osbone 17 May, 2017 09:30
I guess all this is a deflection from the current hopeless plight of RBR who despite all the money, talent and posturing are floundering like flounders. I find that highly amusing and note that Horner is itching to get stuck in Renault again. Hopefully they will lose the only engine manufacturer who would even give them the time of day and this fake team will vanish from F1 for good. RIK ought to get in that Ferrari seat quick as young LeClerk might beat him to it.

Stroll didn't crash on Sunday so that's progress. He put the race together and is learning. The team has plenty of resource and we are not going to beat the top 2 this year anyway so where is the worry? He'll come good because he is good. He just hasn't got it yet.

It's a shame we don't have someone better than MAS in the other car really. I can see why he was re-signed but I would have preferred a bolder move. MAS is a driver who will find bad luck or problems if any are going begging. There was plenty of talent out there. Would much rather we had put JEV in the car for a couple seasons.

Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
crusty_bread 17 May, 2017 10:23
What are you on about Duff? He lapped 0.1 seconds faster than Massa every lap for 5-8 laps with a string of very consistent lap times (a sign of a real talent) in Russia. Do you have amnesia?

Ozzy, Regarding Massa, I don't think you can blame him for getting bad luck in Russia. If we went for a more aggressive move, would Sainz have driven better? I have my reservations because I think Massa is on form. Sainz has been outqualified by his teammate 4 times in the last 6 races. The way he has been driving recently, there is no chance in a month of sundays he would have left room for Alonso at the Spanish GP so he would have made contact there in any case. He made an absolute clanger of a mistake in Bahrain- really dumb driving, before trying to blame it on the other driver, and ended up getting beaten by Pascal Wehrlein's Sauber in Spain, despite suffering no discernible bad luck. So whilst Sainz is having a solid season, we can nit-pick anyone if we are feeling frustrated by a bad run of results. As Williams fans, drivers and engines usually bear the brunt of our frustrations, though it's fair to say in Spain, the drivers failed to get the results the car was capable of.



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Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
phatjack 17 May, 2017 11:23
LMAO, Duff that's the longest post I've ever seen you write .... kudos to crusty.

Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
Ozzy Osbone 17 May, 2017 12:08
I just feel like Massa seems to draw misfortune to himself. Way too many times we see him heading to the pits with a hobbled car. Sometimes you are just waiting for it to happen. What we need is a points machine like Button, Perez, even a BOT. I think JEV would have more points on the board by now.

Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
Alt Right Duff 17 May, 2017 12:19
Lol, it was long, and apparently ill prepared too. Lacking in crusty style research. Ha. To be honest, i cant be bothered, but i am positive those few laps crusty clutches at would have been on soft rubber with massa either on the prime or older tyres. If not, wow, sign him up in the merc. What a legend.

Hey phatty, who would have known you had so much in common with K1. I can see a soft spot the size of lake ontario in you for lance. Much like oue beloved k1 and his compatriot mark webber. Maybe you didnt like what you saw in k1 because it is a flaw you saw each morning when you were brushing your teeth, who knows.

I love f1. I miss whitey, where did he go by the way. Was he booted?

Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
crusty_bread 17 May, 2017 13:13
I think your stats were pretty much on for the Spanish GP, but I fail to see the point of judging a rookie on his worst race. The Russian GP stint times were done on the harder tyres that could last forever at a very low deg track. Both driver were on them. Massa had done 3-5 more laps on them IIRC, so very minimal impact. For his 4th GP, aged 18 and fresh from F3, that is enough promise to keep me quiet until Spa.

Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
phatjack 17 May, 2017 15:07
Hey Duff, my argument has not been whether Lance is talented enough to be in F1. Rather that Williams with Daddy Stroll's money and a drop in the WCC remains a profitable proposition.

Monaco should be a challenging for young Lance but if he can hit the walls say no more than 3 times like Max did, then it should be a good weekend.



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Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
Mehryar 17 May, 2017 15:15
On the note Ozzy said about RBR, yes, I am laughing at them since the start of season!
Who pushed for 2017 rules? Read through any article by any pundit and any rival team, they say RBR pushed for a more aerodynamic orientet set of rules.their engine is "atleast" as close as 2016 to Ferrari and Mercedes.results? Gap is 2 to 3 times bigger smiling smiley) lol at them.it's really enjoyable tbh to see arrogant Marko fail, to see arrogant Newey @#$%& it up.their failure is the only one I enjoy in F1.



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Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
crusty_bread 17 May, 2017 15:49
RBR do seem a bit toothless its true, in spite of having regulations that increase the impact of downforce and mechanical grip.

Im not sure what to take from that other than the obvious- that as much RedBull spend on their chassis, they can't seem to make much of a difference or do anything about their underfunded engine.

What's clear is the form book is pretty much the same as last year, with few if any changes or upsets over the last 5 races. Compare that to the riot that was 2009, with McLaren almost last, then winning, Brawn rampant, then midfield, Williams up and down all year, and you start to see why a team like RedBull. with a midfield budget and an aero genius could overachieve on their budget back then where there were loppholes and whole unexplored fields of aerodynamic fun to explore.

This year, you have to say, there don't seem to have been any aerodynamic loopholes open up. There seems to be even less room for innovation than ever before, as the form book follows the team budgets pretty uniformly, barring engine manufacturers rippling the form book with Honda power being half-baked and Renault spending less than Ferrari and Mercedes on power units. This has to be as much a defence of the job Symonds has done if anything, and emphasises, if any emphasis is needed, the requirement of the team to have the money to fine tune everything and make everything that bit more sophisticated with sponsorship and benefactor funding, which is surely where Williams are losing out primarily to Ferrari and Mercedes.

If Mercedes and Ferrari are enjoying a stroke of genius Williams are missing, then please, if anyone has an inkling, share.



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Re: Spanish GP: FP3 & Qualifying
andy si 18 May, 2017 21:52
The speed RBR is missing may come from Ferrari promoted clarification during winter time - prohibition of interconected suspension. It may again have been an integral part of the car as their past solutions.

But they seem to be hit harder than Mercedes for that matter. Interesting.

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