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Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
K1 (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 02:34
The latest rumour seems to be that Porsche will form a partnership with Red Bull as a supplier then progressively acquire the entire team under the same management,sans Marko. This will allow Red Bull to maintain sponsorship but also to move onto more 'extreme' venues for investment. Meanwhile Toro Rosso is being basically groomed to become a full Honda factory team. It is no secret that DM seeks to sell TR and has done for quite some time. '21 appears to be heading for some major changes. Pity we have to wait another three years!!!!

 
Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
TMT (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 05:29
I said a while ago Porsche to Red Bull, Interesting that it might happen.

 
Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
K1 (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 13:15
No doubt whitey...your the 'goto' man. NSX and all hahahah

 
Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
TMT (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 13:28
(Sm7)(Sm7)(Sm7)

 
Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
phatjack (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:56
I have difficultly believing only because Porsche withdrew from WEC due to the high cost and then look to enter F1 which has an even higher cost.

Maybe Webber was the middle man having driven for both teams? (Sm7)

 
Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
Damon96 (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 20:06
Didn't BMW or was it Renault reckon it was cheaper to be a full works team than manufacturer so it makes sense to go all in? Porsche is VW group isn't it? so deep pockets and Red Bull & VW were together for the rally program?

 
Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
AlanJones (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 21:13
Damon stop rambling about VW/VAG/Porsche and such. VAG is the main company of them all, yes. But it lets its own companies battle with themselves. Audi and Porsche in Le Mans and Formula E. Or Lambo and Audi in the Blancpain series.
Also, Red Bull has had connections only with Volkswagen. Not with any other VAG team. Hence it being totally irrelevant to link Red Bull and Porsche via the VAG connection.




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Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
K1 (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 23:54
@ Alan Jones....you say that Red Bull have only had connections with VW and no other VAG Teams? Can you elaborate as i have heard rumours that there have been talks between Porsche and Red Bull in the past, especially during the time that the Renault/red Bull engine supply problems were front page last year..and that they have been ongoing. I am also led to believe by statements in the past that the VAG board need to put their stamp of approval on any of their various companies motorsport activities.VAG also have a Director of Motorsport, who in the past was Duerheimer an ex Porsche man.

 
Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
TMT (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 06:05
I kinda would have liked to see Williams get Porsche and it would be the Williams Porsche factory team.

 
Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
AlanJones (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 09:48
Quote:
K1
@ Alan Jones....you say that Red Bull have only had connections with VW and no other VAG Teams? Can you elaborate as i have heard rumours that there have been talks between Porsche and Red Bull in the past, especially during the time that the Renault/red Bull engine supply problems were front page last year..and that they have been ongoing. I am also led to believe by statements in the past that the VAG board need to put their stamp of approval on any of their various companies motorsport activities.VAG also have a Director of Motorsport, who in the past was Duerheimer an ex Porsche man.

Hi K1. What I mean is, VAG has many companies as it's subsidiaries. Like Skoda, Volkswagen, Lambo, Porsche and Audi. But all the companies operate on their own. Lamborghini for example went nuts with their Egoista car. It was just an example, a shower. VAG didn't see much potential in it, but Lambo (who is actually a subsidiary of Audi) built it anyway. Audi was in Le Mans and then Porsche came as well. Same goes for Formula E where both will battle eachother. There are many more examples to proof that VAG let's it's subsidiaries run their own course.
Red Bull only has had connections with teams or series that are affiliated with Volkswagen. Not with Audi, not with Porsche. No, only with Volkswagen like in Dakar or the German F3 series.
It therefore is nuts to say that because Porsche is interested in Formula 1, Red Bull is the obvious choice at hand. Because it isn't. The rumours you're talking about over the past years, are exactly what you said; rumours. Unfounded. Based upon wishful thinking only because Porsche is a VAG company.

If you're being realistic and need to pick ANY Formula 1 team based upon the connection between that team and Porsche, it is Williams at this moment.
Williams Hybrid Power (now GKN) managed to get it's flywheel concept into action with Porsche in their GT3 racer. Nowadays all Porsche racecars are fitted with that same Williams/GKN system. Even the hypercar 918 is.
Williams Advanced Technologies has built a new spec engine with Singer. Signer have been Porsche go to guys to add a little umpf to their cars since forever. Also the reveal of Williams Advanced Technologies electric platform is rumoured to be used by Porsche for it's completely electric fleet now that Mercedes, Volvo and Volkswagen have announced that at least of every model there will be an electric version available as well. Porsche wants to go that way too. And as said, they want to do this with that platform.

Now there are people being melancholic and even link Porsche to Woking. But hey, melancholy worked just fine with Honda. Didn't it? So that's based upon wishful thinking as well.

As said, Williams has stronger connections to Porsche than many think. Even better connections than Williams has had with BMW when they pulled them aboard.
It's now only up to Porsche to decide wether they want to join in as a supplier or not. Porsche has stated it's interest as a supplier. But being interested is not the same as weighing in. And if Porsche wants in, it must be very well being dealt with beforehand by Williams that they join us instead of anyone else. You simply can not wait until Porsche says "yes". They need to be reeled in. And I hope anyone at Williams remembers how to do so.




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Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
TerraNova19 (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 09:57
I will add to what @AlanJones said this: Porsche family still has/have big influence inside VAG.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 14/09/2017 10:10 by TerraNova19.

 
Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
AlanJones (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 10:15
Well they do. But after the Porsche buyout of VAG that went sour some years back, people at VAG are not that happy anymore with Porsche as before. But then again, Porsche is their premier brand. So there is still enough love between them.




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Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
TerraNova19 (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 10:21
One more thing to add: it makes more sense for Porsche to be involved only as engine supplier (for them the money involved in this scenario is peanuts, they have the technology in place) and not to buy a F1 team (big headache if things are going sour).

And lets not forget: MARTINI - the common denominator!!



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Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
AlanJones (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 10:27
Martini is the one thing that I would not name. Because of melancholy.




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Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
TerraNova19 (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 13:33
Renault to drop Red Bull?
by Mark Hughes on 14th September 2017

[www.motorsportmagazine.com]

related to this subject:

..."So the McLaren-Honda-Red Bull-Renault-Porsche stories seem have all merged into one. Porsche is reportedly now working flat out on single cylinder prototypes with a big team of engineers, even though the final format of the 2021 engines has not yet been confirmed. There is currently disagreement between the manufacturers about whether the new engines set to continue as V6 1.6-litre turbos will feature the current ERS-h technology. Mercedes wants to continue with it, others would prefer it deleted in order to simplify the technological challenge and contain costs (with the added benefit of increasing the sound volume)."...

 
Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
TMT (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 13:57
Interesting Terra.

 
Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
AlanJones (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 17:49
Quote:
TerraNova19
..."So the McLaren-Honda-Red Bull-Renault-Porsche stories seem have all merged into one. Porsche is reportedly now working flat out on single cylinder prototypes with a big team of engineers, even though the final format of the 2021 engines has not yet been confirmed. There is currently disagreement between the manufacturers about whether the new engines set to continue as V6 1.6-litre turbos will feature the current ERS-h technology. Mercedes wants to continue with it, others would prefer it deleted in order to simplify the technological challenge and contain costs (with the added benefit of increasing the sound volume)."...

Well Porsche has scrambled engineers to build a high performing 6 cylinder (it has not been disclosed whether it's a V shape or an inline engine). They have, according to my sources, Audi, Porsche and Singer engineers working together with Mobil1 to get that high performing engine. It's also not said for what purpose Porsche is creating this engine, but one draws a link to Formula One very easily.

Now, what company did those Singer engineers work with to get that mesmerizing flat 6 cilinder engine for the 911 again..? Just saying..




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Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
TerraNova19 (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 18:13
"Now, what company did those Singer engineers work with to get that mesmerizing flat 6 cilinder engine for the 911 again..? Just saying.."

When you mentioned first time the "Singer engineers" I was already thinking about the same question smiling smiley



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Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
phatjack (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 19:20
Quote:
TerraNova19
Renault to drop Red Bull?
by Mark Hughes on 14th September 2017

[www.motorsportmagazine.com]

related to this subject:

..."So the McLaren-Honda-Red Bull-Renault-Porsche stories seem have all merged into one. Porsche is reportedly now working flat out on single cylinder prototypes with a big team of engineers, even though the final format of the 2021 engines has not yet been confirmed. There is currently disagreement between the manufacturers about whether the new engines set to continue as V6 1.6-litre turbos will feature the current ERS-h technology. Mercedes wants to continue with it, others would prefer it deleted in order to simplify the technological challenge and contain costs (with the added benefit of increasing the sound volume)."...

So Red Bull is in it for the long haul. Short term they settled for as Alonso would say a "GP2" engine?

This won't mean much to the Willy fans but I see Area 9 at Milton Keynes coming good.

K1 wadda think?



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Re: Porsche to Formula 1 with Williams - it makes sense
TMT (IP Logged)
15 September, 2017 06:14
It is interesting that Red Bull engines are TAG Renault and the last time Porsche supplied an engine to an F1 team they were also TAG...TAG Porsche.

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