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Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
13 December, 2017 14:27
@ K1 Williams will show you how much car parts will remain from the fw40 to the fw41.
Williams didnt went radical last year with the new rules and will go now!!
Why? Paddy?!? one guy will make all the difference?? You really believe that then keep dreaming.

then two guys should make more but we have two half drivers in each car!?Why?!? because they bring money??
But they wont bring results that I can garranty you, so Why?!?

Our biggest sponsors are about to leave and you get this line up!
Have you seen Williams shares going down the drain with this politics?!?

Im usualy a pretty positive guy but im not naive.
You believe what you want.



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Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Mehryar (IP Logged)
13 December, 2017 15:49
Oh the guy is seriously angry grinning smiley
Paddy has shown he knows how to make a good car.anywhere he goes he pushes the team up.not only one guy making the difference.the guy is a new leader who can correct the mistakes within the team to stop underperforming.that's the main thing he is set to do in first few months by what Claire said a couple of times.
And then we have Eric De Beer who made this year Ferrari car which is, by any means, a very competitive piece of aero.some claim the actual credit goes to Allison but seeing Ferrari losing the fight after the mid season, pace-wise, it confirms De Beer not being present there made a big difference.
Logics say the car itself, packed with a Mercedes engine, must be as good as whatever Renault or Mclaren can bring...who drives them? It's another story.



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Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
13 December, 2017 16:15
Not angry, realistic. Yll give me reason.

Wait for the first race and youll see what Im saying.

You dont have to be a genius winking smiley



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Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
K1 (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 00:38
@ Marco Cardoso...What a gentleman you are by allowing me to 'believe in 'what i posted! You have absolutely no idea what the outcome will be when the car isn't even fully built let alone tested and raced. If any one is dreaming here it isn't me pal. You should just read and inwardly digest what has been said before getting all mouthy and belligerent. Bad form and totally unneccesary.

 
Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Carinni (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 07:49
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@ Marco cardoso...You might think this but you have absolutely no way of knowing. Until the car is actually tested who could possibly forecast? If Paddy can deliver a blinder then the team will do better, even with drivers who are not top drawer.

Totally agree

 
Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 10:34
Good luck believing in that.



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Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
GiorgioF1 (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 10:53
I think that Marco is somewhat right. You cant just put in on 2 people like Paddy or De Boer (i mean you obviously can, but its not guaranteed). So what if they make a car at the beginning of the season and got a podium (at best i think)? Look at what Force India did to us - they have lower bugdet and they still outdeveloped us during the season. They have two good (or even very good in my opinion) drivers that push themselves in the races, so much that FI did not let them race eachother. Just one of these drivers scored more points that Massa and Stroll this season alltogether. You also need a great atmosphere to work in the team, and look at what is going on abount Williams in the media right now - how can a team be in a good spirit with all of this.
Good season wont happen with Stroll and Sirotkin i think. One bad race or maybe a crash and if the rumors right now are true, there will be so much pressure put on Sirotkin that he might just crack under it just like Kvyat did.



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Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 11:18
Ultimatly the greatest value you have has a person/entity is your word (written and signed even worst).

People here still believe miracles happen, the best Williams can expect for 2018 was 5th or 6th even getting Wherlein/Kvyat/Kubica from the three take two, if Williams confirms this Stroll/Sirotkin line up I'm welling to bet 7th to 9th in WCC.

Breaking a contract for me is breaking your word, and that's not something i'll go with or support and I doubt serious sponsors will to.

The main problem at Williams are the team policies and this won't get the team far like I said before Williams public Image is beying throwned down the drain and share values are a clear indicator of that, another thing is Russian money that nobody knows where it comes from (laudering) entering the team.



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Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
K1 (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 12:52
What a garbled and incomprehensible load of tosh. There are no such things as miracles and i don't think anyone here is forecasting them! How would you have any idea at all what the William's teams policies are? That is unless you sit on the board of directors. All that's being said is that when given a reasonable budget, which Williams have, great facilities, which Williams have, an excellent technical director and some new key staff additions, which Williams have and two drivers who are as yet to perform in an as yet unbuilt, untested, and an unraced car how can anyone give a definitive forecast other that take those points into consideration. I notice that you are saying that williams may make 5th or 6th.at best. You may be right but you also may be wrong. They could be 4th or even 8th. Who knows....?

 
Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Mehryar (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 13:19
What the hell is wrong with you Marco? You were happy with Kubica.he is slower, badly slow that Sirotkin beat him in Abu Dhabi test.this is what a few stint times (meaningless imo though) offers and pundits within the paddock claim.

So now if you were happy with Kubica, what is your problem with a faster driver with a bigger sponsership backing?! No one wished for Kubica to be so much off the pace, but he was.get over it.simple!



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Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
K1 (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 14:03
@ Mehryar...good post. precisely.

 
Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 14:03
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What the hell is wrong with you Marco? You were happy with Kubica.he is slower, badly slow that Sirotkin beat him in Abu Dhabi test.this is what a few stint times (meaningless imo though) offers and pundits within the paddock claim.
So now if you were happy with Kubica, what is your problem with a faster driver with a bigger sponsership backing?! No one wished for Kubica to be so much off the pace, but he was.get over it.simple!

Believe what you want, Sirotkin isnt faster then Wherlien or Kviat he is just a mediocre pay driver!

And that will make two of them at Williams.

Im tired of this trowing sand on fans eyes. Sick of it actually.



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Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
CLOVERLEAF 888 (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 14:44
I do have to say though , I do think Kubica would have had to put in a superhuman effort at Abu Dhabi to be that much faster regardless of the tyres.... The car was a dog and to suddenly find the time people were maybe hoping for was impossible.. The car doesn't have it in it anyway......

 
Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Gunk (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 16:16
I don't necessarily think we can prove Sirotkin was faster than Kubica any more than we can say Kubica was faster than Di Resta, Kvyat, Wehrlein or whoever.

Prior to the test, Paddy Lowe is on record as saying it was not possible to organise a shootout within the disciplines of the tyre test and there are no direct comparisons.

Like Mehryar, I can't help but be a little sceptical about Kubica's form. But it remains that he was the preferred candidate while he had 8m more than the others. When someone came along with double that it was quickly game over. I think that the idea that Sirotkin is a performance based choice is frankly laughable.

From a number of candidates with reasonable credentials, Williams manage to find someone with even less F1 experience than Lance. Sergei has driven a current generation car only twice.

As usual, everything Williams says is pure bs. 'We want someone who will challenge the engineers' says Claire. 'We need someone who will drive the team forward' says Paddy. Instead, we have a couple of rookies who are nowhere on merit.

With our previous worst-ever line up, we finished 8th in the WCC. And that was with a good car and a race win. A four or 5 place drop will wipe out any Russian dollars. I just don't see the point anymore.

 
Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 17:21
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I think that the idea that Sirotkin is a performance based choice is frankly laughable.
From a number of candidates with reasonable credentials, Williams manage to find someone with even less F1 experience than Lance. Sergei has driven a current generation car only twice.

As usual, everything Williams says is pure bs. 'We want someone who will challenge the engineers' says Claire. 'We need someone who will drive the team forward' says Paddy. Instead, we have a couple of rookies who are nowhere on merit.

With our previous worst-ever line up, we finished 8th in the WCC. And that was with a good car and a race win. A four or 5 place drop will wipe out any Russian dollars. I just don't see the point anymore.

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Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
pixel (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 17:43
There is a lot of negativity about the prospect of Stroll & Sirotkin, We seem to be suggesting that team management will take Sirotkin just for the prospect of a big bag of cash.

As some posts have highlighted, slipping down the WCC ranks would mean a drop in prize money. Team management obviously know this too, and know probably more than we do about the limitations of Stroll in his second year.

If they have selected Sirotkin then they must think he is the best available option. Unlike Senna / Maldonado year we do have a fairly healthy portfolio of sponsors, I think Senna / Maldonado was all about financial survival.

I would be surprised if Sirotkin is considered a better option than Werhlein and disappointed if $15m is the deciding factor. I have to hope that they actually think Sirotkin is the real deal.

 
Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
GiorgioF1 (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 19:29
Yes, i also hope that Sirotkin is a good replacement for Massa but i have some doubts. For expample his junior career was nothing special, good at best. What do we know about his racecraft? From what i remember from GF2 and F2 and some youtube videos i watched recently he made quite a few stupid crashes and spins ie. in Monaco and at Spa. He didnt race in open seaters this year almost at all.

Yeah i know Kubica wasnt that super incredible in Abu Dhabi test but we cant jump to the conclusions because it was just a tyre test and times dont show that much. At least we know how he fared in 2010 and he put that Renault in places it absolutly wasnt meant to be. And to be honest he was worth a shot in my opinion. If he was sure that he can make a comeback i dont really know why we didnt pick someone like that who might have ignited some spark inside the team.

My only fear now is that Stroll will be faster or equal to Sirotkin.



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Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Gunk (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 20:42
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As some posts have highlighted, slipping down the WCC ranks would mean a drop in prize money. Team management obviously know this too, and know probably more than we do about the limitations of Stroll in his second year.

They also know full well about the limitations of a rookie. Especially one who has spent the last year as no more than a hospitality lounge lizard.

Gene Haas won't entertain the idea of running a rookie even if you paid him, which Ferrari would love to. There's a reason for that,

And about slipping down the table, of course they know. The money from Russia will be used like a payday loan, or paying off one credit card with another. It's silly management. It's clearly the end of the road for Williams. They have learned nothing.

 
Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
K1 (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 23:52
@ Gunk...Seriously, don't you think that the William's board would be extremely well informed and able to make decisions which they see as the way forward after all other considerations? I sometimes find that the sheer 'chutzpah' and brazen disregard for those who are actually team principals/directors etc etc by keyboard pounders, somewhat comical.One thing that i'm pretty certain about is this, If any of the top five/six drivers were able to be contracted to Williams then they would be snapped up in milisecond. Williams will do what they can to move forward...if that doesn't happen then so be it.Onwards to further obscurity.

 
Re: Who Will drive for Williams in 2018?
Gunk (IP Logged)
15 December, 2017 07:50
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@ Gunk...Seriously, don't you think that the William's board would be extremely well informed and able to make decisions which they see as the way forward after all other considerations?

After making 10 years of terrible driver decisions, I think we can all quite safely say that the process here is flawed.

As Einstein once said, insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting to get different results. The business model and decision making process needs to change.

Jordan brought in management consultants once they started to slide. It's no shame to admit that since PH retired and SFW is effectively sidelined with no say for 5 years now, it is a rudderless operation.

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