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Quote:Mikef1
Don't you know what regulstions are?
Quote:Mehryar
I can not see how these new regs can change the overtaking stats dramatically.In best scenario it can reduce the effect to what was in mid 2000s when we still had lack of overtaking.
The changes must be foundamental like scrapping wings effect and going for ground effect and you may still finish with a terrible race on a track like Barcelona.It must be changes everywhere, from track designs to car designs, money ditribution to tyre supplying strategy.
Doing it in one field and leaving others as they are now, will have minimal effect.
Quote:Mikef1Quote:Mehryar
I can not see how these new regs can change the overtaking stats dramatically.In best scenario it can reduce the effect to what was in mid 2000s when we still had lack of overtaking.
The changes must be foundamental like scrapping wings effect and going for ground effect and you may still finish with a terrible race on a track like Barcelona.It must be changes everywhere, from track designs to car designs, money ditribution to tyre supplying strategy.
Doing it in one field and leaving others as they are now, will have minimal effect.
More drag for the leading car and more slipstream potential with the larger DRS will boost the overtaking stats. I'm not sure that's what fans want to see nor do I believe it will have a tangible impact on tracks like Spain and Barcelona where the car starts the straight too fast.
Reducing the amount of generated vortices on the outside edges of the car theoretically would help a following car through the corners with less turbulent air but it's not going to be bumper to bumper and they've made the front and rear wings bigger which is almost a backwards step amongst other more positive ones.
I honestly think at difficult tracks there will be zero overtakes still and at better tracks you will just see more Drs passes. Kinda pointless but naturally we will see when we actually go racing.
Quote:Mikef1
The last corner in Barcelona is too gradual and at an uncomfortable speed. To lead directly onto a straight it's not flat and it generates too much understeer as a long sweeping corner.
Eau rouge is not a very good comparison for 2 reasons. The cars start to close from t1 not eau rouge meaning they already have a speed advantage when they hit the corner which means they are generating more downforce. With eau rouge being so steep the aero is also working more efficiently so by the time you get to the top, any scrubbed speed has only marginally compromised you. You will almost always see the chasing car is faster through the whole of eau rouge and thus easily able to pass before the end of the straight. In other instances the car is still much closer than say exiting a long sweeping corner because eau rouge doesn't really require much turning.
T1 in Austria is a very different characteristic it's also not a sweeping corner like the final corner in Australia and Barcelona. To generate real overtaking you need a corner that is not sweeping (causing chronic understeer and scrubbing speed/compromising racing line) of the chasing car. You then need a heavy breaking zone which is why Barcelona and Australia don't work.
Hangar straight is somewhat of an anomalie but it has a huge Drs zone and I'd be interested to know who's overtaking who there. I feel like you'd need the car superior car to get it done. I will pay attention at Silverstone this year.
Tilke has indeed proven that point and shoot straights also don't work.
Sweeping corners also don't work like Barcelona and Australia but this is the part they are tying (and I suspect failing) to fix
Quote:A.Fant
Monza's main straight (1,120 m) is not much longer than Catalunya's and the Parabolica is difficult to follow another car through, but since T1 is a hard braking zone and the average speed of the straight is so high it is one of the best overtaking tracks on the calendar.
Quote:MehryarQuote:A.Fant
Monza's main straight (1,120 m) is not much longer than Catalunya's and the Parabolica is difficult to follow another car through, but since T1 is a hard braking zone and the average speed of the straight is so high it is one of the best overtaking tracks on the calendar.
In fact I believe wide, high speed final corners would do the trick better than comming out of a chicane or slow corner.Because those kindda corners can offer multiple racing lines usually so the car behind, though in a medium or high speed corner, takes less dirty air by taking a different line.something like Parabolica.
Imo that's the reason that old circuits used to offer a closer racing.Stop-go corners can be a terrible idea for the car behind to get a good traction out of it when behind another car.