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Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Gunk (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 07:51
Didn't make a special effort . . . but woke up anyway.

Everyone else sleep through it?

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Mehryar (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 08:10
nope but there was not much happening for us.
Seb once again proved he is an unworthy champion and it's hard to see he has 4 titles to his name!
25 points threw away in Germany, handed 8points to Lewis
8 points threw away in France.
13 points threw away in Monza, handed 8 to Lewis.
7 points threw away in Japan.

That's 69 points total & he had the lead still.Lewis did zero mistakes.



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Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Gunk (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 08:42
I'm convinced Ferrari will dump Vettel after 2019. Just too flaky.

Apart from that, Force India continues to impress. Add back the points docked after administration and FI are comfortably P4 in the WCC.

Meanwhile, Perez ties on 53 with Mag and Hulk for best of the rest driver . . . as he was in 2016 and 2017. Always surprises me how many people think he's nothing special.

I hope Lewis wraps it up in Austin because Bottas likes Mexico and a win for him would be cool. There's Abu D as well of course.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Damon96 (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 10:31
Not sure how we ended up up behind Stoffel, not a great race - Seb cracking again.

K mag with his usual swerving but got his reward for it, Grosjean moaningas normal.

Renault are really slipping back and Force India really deliver on a points / spent, they could really pull away from the rest of the midfield next year with serious money behind them.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
ihme (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 11:00
Stroll destroyed his race by flat spotting his tyres in his 2nd sting which had to be long and good plus he had a penalty.

Sirotkin destroyed his race by losing a lot of positions at the start therefore compromising his strategy and we had to pit him sooner but it didnt work because he needed a 2nd pitstop.

Paddy is saying that we havent managed to extract everything from this race and that there was potential for a better result and Sirotkin is saying that "we as a team did the absolute maximum from what we could today. With our situation, none of us could do any better, so with this in mind Im very proud of all the boys effort."

My god. Cant wait for this season to end. I hope that we suck it up and take two real drivers this time and i dont really care which ones now.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
williams4284 (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 11:11
Sirotkin is no better than stroll. I dare say stroll will be miles better next year than sirotkin will ever be.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
ihme (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 11:20
Apparently on CH4 they said that Russell will be at Williams and it sounded like a done deal already.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Gunk (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 15:04
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Damon96

Renault are really slipping back . . .

Four or five rubbish races now, I think they'll drop two places in the WCC, even with the loopy Haas pair only half delivering.

Very poor development over the season. Should Ricciardo be worried?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2018 15:45 by Gunk.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 15:05
Ted said the same on Sky. He said Williams don't want Ocon as Merc will just take him in 2020. Maybe we get BOT back then? Could do a lot worse.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Anderis (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 16:38
I still can't really believe we would take Russell over Ocon, especially with Sirotkin in the other seat. I would like to know the logic behind it.

Can't we have a known-quality driver who is neither inexperienced nor past his prime for once?
I think we only had one (Bottas in his 3rd and 4th season) after Rosberg had left almost 10 years ago.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2018 16:41 by Anderis.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
phatjack (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 17:22
Quote:
Mehryar
nope but there was not much happening for us.
Seb once again proved he is an unworthy champion and it's hard to see he has 4 titles to his name!
25 points threw away in Germany, handed 8points to Lewis
8 points threw away in France.
13 points threw away in Monza, handed 8 to Lewis.
7 points threw away in Japan.

That's 69 points total & he had the lead still.Lewis did zero mistakes.

while you make some good points, I suppose in your world when you have nothing to lose you just sit back hoping for things to happen?

It's fascinating reading some of your posts considering you want your own WIlliam's drivers to be more aggressive. Hypocrite would be a diplomatic way for me to suggest you're full of cacarrhea.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Gunk (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 17:27
Quote:
Anderis

Can't we have a known-quality driver who is neither inexperienced nor past his prime for once?

That's not how Williams operate. Shame on you for suggesting such a thing, Anderis. (Sm6)

There's a downside of course. We could build a perfectly decent car next year and still come rock bottom of the table.

I'm reminded of 2012, when we had a pole capable, race-winning car and somehow managed no better than 8th.

And the midfield competition is now so much stronger than it was back then, with sackloads of investment going into Sauber, FI and STR Honda.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Francesc (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 17:50
What a monstrosity lol
https://i.imgur.com/w5gf49Z.jpg

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
ihme (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 17:59
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Francesc
What a monstrosity lol
https://i.imgur.com/w5gf49Z.jpg

It doesnt look draggy AT ALL (Sm22)

Seriously, this is insane. And those blisters.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Threa
Mehryar (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 18:19
@phatjack, really? So crashing out while he's leading the race by a good gap is being aggressive?! Or crashing into your title rival on an identical move with Kimi/Lewis is called being aggressive? Hmm I thought it's called stupidity to jump inside Max at spoon curve, not being aggressive!
Try to stop being a fanboy for a minute and compare him with one you should compare: Lewis! He's not driving a Williams car which is only good for points with so much luck and too many risks taken, try harder next time.

Seb has been rubbish in last 5-6 races bar Spa.Overally he's been mediocre in last 2 years with Ferrari and Alonso had the title easily in his hands with that Ferrari.

Now don't stop! Try to make more comparison with a STR driver next time! Lol



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Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Mehryar (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 18:30
Back to drivers situations, It always looked more likely to have Russell/Sirotkin...I can't be disappointed tbh.He was not a star so far but overally I think he's been ok given how terrible was his car in his debut season compared to Lance, I think the guy deserves another chance even if not with Williams.
Russell I have very high hopes.Anytime we had a highly rated rookie in our car, it paid off...like Rosberg, Hulk and Bottas.It's refreshing to know the team has gone for guy with proper racing record except of risking with guys who are a question mark with on and off performances in lower series.
The only better situation was to go for Ocon in place of Sergey (which I still have hopes for it) but still better result than to go for Ericsson or Kubica or Markelov imo.



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Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
ihme (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 18:46
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Mehryar
Anytime we had a highly rated rookie in our car, it paid off...like Rosberg, Hulk and Bottas.

Yeah but have they arrived after such a season like we are having this year? Susie said that Toto didnt want to place Ocon here and risk his progress and reputation so this shows exactly how much hope he has for our 2019 season.
And if he said that about Ocon then it would be logical that he thinks the same about Russell, but apparentyly George is almost certain to drive here next year. I dont know, it's all kinda confusing and we obviously dont know probably 90% od what is really happening behind the scenes so we can only sit and patiently wait for the official announcement. I'm getting strange Vandoorne-like vibes with Russell though, and I wouldnt in a million years thought that Stoffel might end up like this after his 2016 Bahrain outing and his junior career. Being put in a shitty car for his rookie season might be too much for him to handle and the hype bubble might quickly burst.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Threa
phatjack (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 18:47
Quote:
Mehryar
@phatjack, really? So crashing out while he's leading the race by a good gap is being aggressive?! Or crashing into your title rival on an identical move with Kimi/Lewis is called being aggressive? Hmm I thought it's called stupidity to jump inside Max at spoon curve, not being aggressive!
Try to stop being a fanboy for a minute and compare him with one you should compare: Lewis! He's not driving a Williams car which is only good for points with so much luck and too many risks taken, try harder next time.

Seb has been rubbish in last 5-6 races bar Spa.Overally he's been mediocre in last 2 years with Ferrari and Alonso had the title easily in his hands with that Ferrari.

Now don't stop! Try to make more comparison with a STR driver next time! Lol

How have Stroll and the Russian dude, compared against the FI Team who got there points stripped.

Mehryar, your dislike of any team who makes william's look foolish is noted. Hang in there, another Lawerence will come to the rescue. History is on your side.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2018 18:48 by phatjack.

 
Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Mehryar (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 19:05
Lol phatjack, don't try to shout your stupidity more.if you don't have an answer it's better to shut it other than going to other topics of Williams and FI and blahblahblah! The point was on how rubbish Seb has been recently and you escape answering by mixing up the meaning of "aggressive" and "stupid" at first and then completely changing the topic! Poor guy, I can see how hard you try to change the facts to cover your beloved driver and team performance lately...go on, after comparing Seb with a pay driver to make Seb look better and comparing 10th team with FI to cover how terrible Ferrari has been in last few races, I'm wondering how far can you go! There's nothing more, Sergey is last in wdc and Williams last in wcc.your next try to justify the performance of your team/driver is to compare them with a tree!

@ihme infact all of them came in a terrible car.2013 of Bottas and 2006 of Nico were terrible cars.first few races of 2010 was not a very good one too....btw I don't have an idea about what's inside Toto's mind either.this "Williams move will block his progress and reputation" logic doesn't make sense...wherever he races is better than seating on the bench& also it teaches him some lessons in hard situations so for sure it helps his progress more than not racing...about his reputation, it doesn't make sense at all too.he's not there to be advertised and then sold to other teams, he's there to drive that Mercedes car in near future so what does it mean if for example Mclaren bosses don't rate him as high anymore? Nothing!
To me what Susie said was simply a lie.the reason must be other things, probably financial requirements from Williams and the length of his contract imo.



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Re: Suzuka . . . . After The Race Thread
Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
07 October, 2018 19:53
VET could never handle pressure. It was only when he had the very best car which suited his style and a tame team mate in Webber, plus the team making him No.1 that he could win. Put him back in the field, he will screw up most of the time. Compare to HAM who, even if all seems lost will just keep plugging away with very few mistakes.

I think back to 2009 when VET had the better car from about a third of the way into the season and still threw it away.

Kimi has shown that the Ferrari had enough pace with a top driver this weekend. Put Lewis in that car, I believe he would have been on the podium at least, probably top step.

Anyway, back to Russell. I can see Williams p[oint on Ocon. It is highly likely that OCO will be off to the top team in 2020. BOT has not shown superstar talent but is quick enough to trouble the opposition. Merc will want a longer term superstar to replace HAM at some point. OCO is probably their best bet, even if they have to bench him for a year. He should have a tremendous future in F1.

RUS is a longer term view. With a possible 3 or 4 more years of HAM / OCO at Merc, would it not make sense for us to have RUS for that time, maybe in exchange for an engine / tech deal? Perhaps even, for 2020 when OCO goes to Merc, we take BOT back? Surely that would be a sensible driver line up? Maybe the costs will be lower then and we won't be totally reliant on pay drivers.

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