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This all sounds a bit negative
Whitey*~@ (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 07:16
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Moreover, it also did not appear to be fast.
“When I watched Webber’s long run on Saturday afternoon,” said an engineer for a rival team, “it was nothing special – not the lap times nor the tyre wear.”

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Another rival engineer said there is visual evidence that the exhaust gases on the revised layout “are not going where they (Red Bull) want them to go”.


Red Bull in a dilemma over new RB8 for Melbourne


All sounds a bit negative but it could just be a bit of a beat up story.



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Re: This all sounds a bit negative
K1 (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 10:02
that final quote re 'visuals'. how could any one possibly chart the flow of exhaust gas visually during laps around the complete circuit?

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
Whitey*~@ (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 10:23
Yeah I hear what you are saying K1 maybe this is all just a beat up media story.



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Re: This all sounds a bit negative
LoudHoward (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 10:55
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K1
that final quote re 'visuals'. how could any one possibly chart the flow of exhaust gas visually during laps around the complete circuit?

Read the quote on the end of the sentence, a likely scenario presents itself readily.



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Re: This all sounds a bit negative
growler (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 11:08
A fair degree of journalistic license used here to conjure up a story. The article quotes Seb as saying

“It wouldn’t be fair for me to judge the upgrades, so we have to rely on the data collected by Mark.”

What he actually said was

"To be honest, it wouldn’t be fair to judge the updates we have, as I didn’t get many laps today. I think yesterday was quite a decent step and it was a good day for Mark, so we’ll take what we can from that."



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/03/2012 11:13 by growler.

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
F1mania (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 11:34
Why a stupid validation code ???
Anyways moving in on as I'm 9.5 /10
Cranky and angry

Unless it's on a reputable site
We all could make up stories white
So why didn't the author state the "other team engineers" names what they So called observed ?

This author is full of shi. Te

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
K1 (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 21:40
having read the article posted in full by growler i will ask the same question....again as no one has offered up any viable answers.

seems like a load of old bull.

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 21:54
It is a load of old Bull. The old RB8 Bull. The new one doesn't work. At least that's what Ronald McDonald told me.

Newey has lost his touch. It's all over for Red Bull. Might as well close this board now becayse there's going to be a big silence when Vettel and Webs finish 12 laps down on the HRT's in Melbourne.

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
LoudHoward (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 23:00
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K1
having read the article posted in full by growler i will ask the same question....again as no one has offered up any viable answers.

Well, the quote was suggesting the exhaust flow is not going where Red Bull want it to? One possibility is that you can determine where a team expect/want it to go by where the heat shielding is.

So, in response to your initial query, burned bodywork springs instantly to mind.



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Re: This all sounds a bit negative
f1man (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 23:43
i think loud has a good point



Mark WEBBER 9smiling smiley hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
phatjack (IP Logged)
07 March, 2012 01:09
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Ozzy Osbone
It is a load of old Bull. The old RB8 Bull. The new one doesn't work. At least that's what Ronald McDonald told me.
Newey has lost his touch. It's all over for Red Bull. Might as well close this board now becayse there's going to be a big silence when Vettel and Webs finish 12 laps down on the HRT's in Melbourne.

+1, it will be interesting this season.



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Re: This all sounds a bit negative
K1 (IP Logged)
07 March, 2012 04:43
the quote came from whom actually? the quote has no substantiation/authentication whatsoever. at least i can't find any. has anyone seen burned bodywork/posted a pic? even if heat shielding was in place what evidence is there that it was not effective? seems to me to be a load of old bull unless there is some visible proof available or adrian newey actually says that the exhaust gases weren't going where he wanted them to and their wind tunnel data was all crap. when i read that then i will be convinced.a throwaway line by some unnamed source means zip....at the moment.

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
Duffer (IP Logged)
07 March, 2012 05:39
I wonder if they put infra red cameras on the cars and follow others around. Entirely plausible. This would also allow teams to evaluate what others are doing with the rear air flow. And if I can think of it, I am sure they have.



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Re: This all sounds a bit negative
f1man (IP Logged)
07 March, 2012 05:39
K1 my friend

this will help you

[www.google.com.au]

remember as Newton said every action has equal and opposite yeah sooo....

all this negative talk brings about positive results when the bull smashes the reds and laps massa!



Mark WEBBER 9smiling smiley hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
LoudHoward (IP Logged)
07 March, 2012 09:27
Most likely K1, you asked for a possibility though tongue sticking out smiley

Duffers idea is interesting, however the infrared works best when the flow is backgrounded by a cool area or space to contrast. The thermal shots I've seen of F1 cars the rear is just a white blob (or black if it's in black hot mode!), especially when looking from the rear.



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Re: This all sounds a bit negative
F1manic (IP Logged)
07 March, 2012 10:08
I'll hot mode you loudy lol smiling smiley haha

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
chucky2 (IP Logged)
07 March, 2012 11:08
Two letters BS! The majority of reputable F1 media still have Red Bull ahead of mclaren followed by MERC/Ferrari. The bull would be running no more than 80% so unless the others have been around the 70% mark it will be RB all the way.



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Re: This all sounds a bit negative
K1 (IP Logged)
07 March, 2012 11:17
yes, infra red cameras may, be a possibility, although LH says it right re backgrounding. are we assuming then that the other teams have somehow all of a sudden attached these cameras on the last two days?

there was no mention of 'scorching/burnt bodywork' during and after webbers full day on saturday and horner has now come out and said that although some of the testing was inconclusive they will be racing the 'B'chassis with all the upgrades in melbourne. hardy an admission that everything rear of the exhaust outlet has been BBQ'd.

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
f1man (IP Logged)
08 March, 2012 01:43
i heard that the body work was scorching so much that it caught fire and the toxic fumes made both webber and vets pass out and they both crashed and landed in the field with the spanish cows and then the cows came over and licked their faces with their sand pappery tongues and then webber jumped out and starting to milk the cows and made himself a milkshake with a touch of red bull to give him the ing!

then webber and vettel ran off into the hills to get extra exercise and then horner and newey started just to play monopoly



Mark WEBBER 9smiling smiley hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
f1man (IP Logged)
08 March, 2012 01:44
chuck

you need the rb8 pic for your sig etc



Mark WEBBER 9smiling smiley hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
Duffer (IP Logged)
08 March, 2012 03:28
LMAO. F1man, you are a special person.On the thermal imaging contract thingy, as long as there are temperature differences, you can play with the colours and contrast to make ultra hot stand out from mega hot or just normal hot.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/03/2012 03:30 by Duffer.

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
Godspeed (IP Logged)
08 March, 2012 04:19
Duffer that all just sounds HOT!! Still would not be able to work out how hot my body is!!

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
K1 (IP Logged)
08 March, 2012 04:24
well godspeed....when you're hot you're hot, as the saying goes.

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
f1man (IP Logged)
09 March, 2012 04:11
too hot to handle!



Mark WEBBER 9smiling smiley hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

 
Re: This all sounds a bit negative
f1man (IP Logged)
09 March, 2012 04:13
no worries duffer, anytime you need to break the monotomy i will be there for you!



Mark WEBBER 9smiling smiley hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!


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