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Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Whitey*~@ (IP Logged)
18 March, 2012 09:58
Some of you may disagree because a McLaren won the first race of the year but think back to last season Red Bull 100% had the fastest car BUT McLaren still won some races last year, so just because Button won the first race does not mean Macca is the fastest I still think the RB8 is faster.



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Whitey*~@ (IP Logged)
18 March, 2012 10:12
I am talking about race pace I think race pace the RB8 is the fastest car it is just that I think we have lost a bit of our quali pace advantage from last season.



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
LoudHoward (IP Logged)
18 March, 2012 10:20

">Nope.




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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Whitey*~@ (IP Logged)
18 March, 2012 10:43
So Loud if the RB8 is not the fastest car race pace this season what car is?

Remember Loud and I am sure you will agree Red Bull had the fastest car last season but like today McLaren still won races last season.

Haha funny link btw.



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
LoudHoward (IP Logged)
18 March, 2012 10:58
McLaren?

While it's possible we just didn't get the setup right, or we had a booboo with our upgrade package that will be easily sorted, I think it's equally, if not more likely, that the Melbourne layout hid our usual weaknesses. From what I saw, we don't have the downforce advantage anymore, we certainly don't have any straight line speed and our car looks harder to drive. We may possibly look after our tyres better on longer runs, but we might not and even if we do, that alone isn't enough to win the title.

Something needs to change somewhere, while it's possible we may now have a "power track" car, there doesn't appear to be any evidence for that.

With so much uncertainty, the only facts on the board are that McLaren got pole, won the race and lead the WCC. So, to answer your question, all signs point to McLaren. When you go through whos had the fastest car in Melbourne, they tend to win the championship (pretty convincingly).



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Whitey*~@ (IP Logged)
18 March, 2012 11:10
Fair comments Loud but I still think there is more speed to come from the RB8 this season, I guess we will see where we stand after a couple more races.



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
18 March, 2012 19:51
No doubt the RB8 is up there and it will probably be more about the development race to the end of the season as to who wins it.

One thing to keep in mind. Mclaren screwed up the fuel allocation in Aus and were in serious fuel saving mode from very early in the race. When JB needed to pull a gap on Vettel after the safetly car, he did it very easilly to put Seb beyond DRS range.

The truth is we need more races and some early upgrades to really get a feel for the cars. But it certainly seems that Mclaren have rocked up with a fast car and Red Bull are not going to have it so easy this year at least. The quali magic certainly seems to have vanished and that was Vettel's ace card really.

 
Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
K1 (IP Logged)
18 March, 2012 21:51
up until now i was led to believe that webber was the only one who didn't have KERS for Q3 but one report also said that vettel didn't either.

that being the case, had the RB's had full KERS and qualified front row or closer to, then there may well have been a different result owing to the difficulty of passing at the park.

that said, maclaren pulled it off and controlled the race. the proof is in the points table.

 
Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
18 March, 2012 22:32
I think JB had plenty left and was restricted by a cock up on the fuel. He seemed to be able to pull a second a lap when required with no problem.

That Mclaren is fast. We also have to look at how many times Vettel went off track over the weekend just trying to keep up.

 
Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
GB2009 (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 01:16
Agree with the McLaren sentiments...and the other thing that I think will hurt us based on what we've seen so far is that, with the Merc's DRS-wing-stalling-thingy possibly putting them artificially in front of RBR on the grid, but not to McLaren pace, we may find ourselves spending the early part of a lot of races trying to clear a Merc or two to even get a chance at the McLarens...by which time they may be too far away to catch.

Also, no-one seems to be talking much about Lotus...we have no idea how good a race car they actually have, as RG lasted 3 minutes and Kimi spent the whole race looking at diffusers. They might yet be a front-runner.

 
Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Whitey*~@ (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 05:55
Horner is saying the same as what I am saying.

Red bull as quick as McLarens - chief



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Whitey*~@ (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 05:57
You watch Loud after the next race you will see that Red Bull is just as fast if not faster than McLaren.(Sm13)



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
LoudHoward (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 06:22
I hope you're right.



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Whitey*~@ (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 08:47
Cheers Loud I hope I am right too,...fingers crossed.



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Red Macca (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 13:09
Horner is just blowing wind

 
Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 17:31
I doubt there is much in it and it may come down to individual circuits.

On the Merc point, it's a bit like 2009. JB kept putting the Brawn on pole with the RBR's behind but the KERS Mclarens would jump the red bulls at the start and then hold them up while JB ran away.

Merc could be pivotal on 2012. Who else was it who used to qualify well and then hold everyone up? Trulli's Toyota wasn't it? I forget now.

 
Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
LoudHoward (IP Logged)
24 March, 2012 09:41
Two front row lockouts on the bounce are pretty damning evidence unfortunately.



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Whitey*~@ (IP Logged)
24 March, 2012 10:46
Lets wait and see how Red Bull go in the race, but I must say the McLarens do look fast.



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
SydneyF1Fan (IP Logged)
24 March, 2012 11:15
Yep, Macca's look fast on two different circuit types.

Newey needs to pull something out of the bag, quick!

Presumably Macca's and RBR will lick the Merc DRS-duct in the next race or two, which will pull them back on that innovation.

Good to see Mark matching Seb in quali.

My take is that RBR have lost their advantage after outlaw of the DD/exhaust rules. Seb was the master of the RB7 under that configuration together with the Pirelli tyres. This year, RBR have lost their car advantage, Mark is more comfortable with the car balance compared to Seb and has finallly sorted out how to use the tyres. Just needs to sort out his starts.

Meanwhile, the Macca's have leapt ahead of RBR with the car design this year, particualrly in quali.

The interesting part will be to see race pace and fuel consumption of the Macca's against the RB8 and Merc...



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Blighty (IP Logged)
24 March, 2012 13:20
Actually, I agree with whitey.

I think we have the fastest car. And I think we are underperforming/downplaying a big part of it due to us using the exuast fumes again.

Evidence of this is how we should of been worse off in Malay than in Australia considering the track length, which should make our poorer DRS implementation cause us to loose more time to the macca and the merc.

But it hasn't.

I'd say that in the race, we will be fighting for the lead. I'd also give Mark a big chance here. His race pace looks excellent.

 
Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
K1 (IP Logged)
25 March, 2012 22:40
interesting observations during the race. on slicks webber caught up to hamilton but couldn't quite make the pass but then again hamilton couldn't get away from mark webber either. at that stage i would venture to say that the RB was slightly faster than the maclaren but not enough to ensure a dominance,

webber also put in the second fastest lap of the day!!!!

 
Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
f1man (IP Logged)
26 March, 2012 01:51
for race and "normal" conditions

they have a car just cant get all of it out yet



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
Whitey*~@ (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 12:14
BUMP! (Sm13)



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Re: Red Bull have the fastest car in 2012
SydneyF1Fan (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 12:20
Good on the twisty circuits, just not fast in a straight line!



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