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4 Oct, 2010 07:41 Report
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Mercedes Gp WO2/ AMG F1 WO3 / WO4 / WO5 Car Development, Testing, News
This is the technical/development thread. Feel free to bring news, info, inside tips, what ever is related to Merc GP´s technical side, testing and development.

Maybe topic is the good way to start this thread.

WO2? ..is it going to be the new name of 2011 car??

What about the 2011 regulations, how its going to affect Mercedes GP??

http://www.yallaf1.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/840170401-029161392010.jpg

These are the development done for WO1, that we know:
Malaysia: revised rear bodywork
China: modified rear wing
Spain: revised airbox and roll structure + longer wheelbase
Turkey: updated F-duct system
Europe: revised exhausts
Germany: revised rear wing

Its been quiet in this front since Germany!!

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/ashleyrude/main/mercedes-gp-petronas-steering-wheel.jpg

Anyways if you have some engineer blood running in your vains, let it out!! Here is a place for you and your technical knowledge.



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Specs and some history.

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Mercedes GP W01
Active: 01-02-2010 - 2010
Team: Mercedes Grand Prix

Team: Ross Brawn (TP), Nick Fry (CEO), Norbert Haug (VP, Mercedes Motorsport), Thomas Fuhr (MD, engines), Loïc Bigois (HA)
Drivers: Michael Schumacher (3), Nico Rosberg (4), Nick Heidfeld (Test)

The MGP W01 is the first car completely built under Mercedes ownership since the German carmaker left motorsport in the fifties. Its development was led by Ross Brawn and marks the return of Michael Schumacher to Formula One, after 3 years of absence from the sport.

Mercedes GP officially launched their 2010 campaign at the Mercedes Motorsport museum at Stuttgart 25 January. While all drivers and protagonists were there, even including Martin Whitmarsh, McLaren's Team Principal, the new car wasn't. The launch was nothing more than a presentation of the new livery.

One week later however, the car was rolled out before the start of the first test at Valencia. It was displayed at 9:00 in the pitlane. The new car is a striking difference from the Brawn BGP01, and for that matter also differs quite substantially from the other 2010 cars.

The new Mercedes W01 has been worked on by the Brawn team since halfway 2009, and it should come as no surprise that as early as its launch it looked as a well developed car.

The W01 made its debut on 1 February that same day at Cheste, Valencia, first driven by Nico Rosberg in the morning and then by Michael Schumacher in the afternoon.

Technical analysis
In its striking silver and black, the new nose at first does think about the Brawn BGP01 but is very different from it. The foremost part is much higher above the front wing than before, while the upper sides of the nose are an implementation of the Red Bull RB5 V-nose concept. The car has its nose edge higher at both sides right up to the cockpit opening.

The underside of the nose is rounded off, also like the RB5, albeit that the lower front suspension mounts attach to the chassis with a small keel, making this car effectively a single keel, the first we see since 2008.

Around the driver, the sidepod entries have changed less, retaining the air inlets that now look bulky compared to what McLaren and Ferrari have presented on their 2010 contenders. The wing mirrors have been kept extremely simple as well.

The airbox on the other hand is something unseen on modern F1 cars. Apart from being an air inlet, its main purpose is to be a roll hoop to protect drivers in case of a crash. For that reason, teams usually thicken the airbox' walls with carbon fibre to match the required strength.

On the Mercedes however, the concept is completely different. Here the team have chosen to construct the roll hoop as a vertical, thick support right on the centreline of the car. Hence, to also provide an air inlet, the airbox is effectively split in two, with the actual air inlet opening being considerably larger than what it would be otherwise.

A little more to the back, there is a small opening on each side of the airbox, providing cooling air for some components that sit more rearward in the car. It is understood that Mercedes and several other teams have chosen to move some components to sit in the low rear to make place for the larger fuel tank.

Despite the fairly bulky shape of the sidepods with a remarkable lack of undercut, the rear end of the car is extremely mince, leaving most of the suspension components open to free airflow. The team have made the bodywork so narrow that extra bulges have been added to provide connection points for the pull rods of the rear suspension.

Specifications
Chassis: Construction Moulded carbon fibre and honeycomb composite structure
Suspension: Wishbone and pushrod activated torsion springs and rockers
Dampers: Sachs
Wheels: BBS forged magnesium
Tyres: Bridgestone Potenza
Brakes: Brembo calipers
Brake: discs/pads Carbon/Carbon
Steering: Power assisted rack and pinion
Steering: wheel Carbon fibre construction
Electronics: FIA standard ECU and FIA homologated electronic and electrical system


Transmission
Gearbox: Seven speed unit with carbon composite maincase
Gear selection: Sequential, semi-automatic, hydraulic activation
Clutch: Carbon plate


Dimensions
Overall length: 4800mm
Overall height: 950mm
Overall width: 1800mm


Engine
Type: Mercedes-Benz FO108X
Capacity: 2.4 litres
Cylinders: 8
Maximum rpm: 18,000 (maximum FIA regulation)
Bank angle: 90°
Piston bore: 98mm (maximum FIA regulation)
No of valves: 32
Weight: 95kg (minimum FIA regulation weight)



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12 Oct, 2010 13:02 Report
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I read many places that the problems that W01 is facing is that Merc got the CoG wrong in relation to tyres.

So basicly what ever you do with ballast etc. it doesnt change the fact you still got understeering car.

"so if your tyre is saturated with the loads you offer to it already an increase in downforce will not raise grip levels"

Its also widely questioned why they didnt bring active F-Duck and the good old anwil wing. Passive F-duck has been unreliable and MS said: sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt.

One area is that front wing doesnt add enough aero to front, and they decided to not focus on the issue. Maybe because of money or there were too much wrong that they had hands full with other areas with W01.

Also chassis problem might be affecting W01 and limits its development possibilities:

"A chassis stiffness problem, if true, is a much bigger issue in my opinion, and would technically explain, at least to me, why they have the problems they have, and why they can´t do much about it, because the tub design is homologated."

What about 2011, some think this season was like sacrifised for development towards W02. Some think there is no easy way to glory, and now MGP has fallen behind in development.

I think now they have the money and they know what are the problem areas and 2011 is going to be stronger. But how much??

What do you think???



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http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2010/f1/gp-yeongam-21oct/328wri.jpg

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2010/f1/gp-yeongam-21oct/334wri.jpg

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2010/f1/gp-yeongam-21oct/331wri.jpg

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2010/f1/gp-yeongam-21oct/332wri.jpg

New parts for Korea, there are talks that these are tested for W02. New diffuser, EBD,splitter/tea tray, new layout??

"they are now blowing the exhaust gases to the diffuser through those slots."



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Great pictures ! F1 cars are really pieces of Art work.
I'm looking forward to the 2011 car.
They call this one conservative and it has beautiful lines, so next years more aggressive plans should look awesome.
The blue sets the silver off as well.

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JA.FI:

Brawn gets ambitious for 2011 and talks of his exit
Posted on | October 20, 2010 | by | 102 Comments

There is an interesting interview with Ross Brawn in today’s Gazzetta dello Sport, in which he says that he believes Mercedes will have a car to challenge for the championship next year and confirms that “Mercedes will be my last team.”

He also tips Fernando Alonso to win the world championship this year, reiterating the admiration he has for the Spaniard, whom he tried hard to sign for Honda in late 2008.



Brawn: Going for it in 2011 (Darren Heath)

Having won 16 world championships with Benetton, Ferrari and then the crowning glory of world titles with his own team, Brawn is now engaged in a new challenge with Mercedes. At 55, having enjoyed so much success and with over £40 million in the bank from past earnings plus the sale of his team last year, Brawn’s challenge will be to continue to find motivation.

The difficulties of this season should provide that going into 2011, but it is interesting that he’s already started talking about an exit. He may stay with Mercedes for five or ten more years, but he’s saying that he won’t take on another project after this. What more is there to achieve when you’ve done what he’s done?

As a general rule, manufacturers running their own teams have been lacking in success; BMW, Toyota, Honda all failed to challenge. Renault won the title in 2005 and 2006, but since then it’s been Ferrari, McLaren in partnership with Mercedes and the new generation of customer teams like Brawn and Red Bull.

Mercedes have staked quite a bit reputationally on this project and after a difficult first season, they need to show that this model is workable. They need some strong results next year or the tensions will rise internally within Mercedes.

As always in racing, managing expectations is crucial and I got the sense that expectations were managed with the Mercedes board going into this project, given the resource restrictions the team was operating under in 2009, but still the actual performance has been a disappointment.

Brawn repeats the mantra that the forced downsizing of the team as it went from Honda to Brawn in early 2009 led to an under-resourced design team and a conservative, unambitious 2010 car. For 2011, with the support of Mercedes he says, “We have a group of young engineers who want to show their value and we will go back to being ambitious.”

He says that the main thing the team gets from Mercedes parent company Daimler is not people but resources; especially in CFD support, simulator and vehicle dynamics.

As for Michael Schumacher, Brawn affirms that he is 100% certain that the German will continue to race for Mercedes in 2011 and says “I expect that in 2011 he will come back much stronger.”

Interestingly Brawn says that he has been surprised by the performance of Nico Rosberg, who has turned out to be “far stronger than I imagined. He has had an exceptional year.” I hear that there will be some changes next year with regard to Rosberg’s race engineering team at the track.

http://f1photo.automoto365.com/pictures/small/single/tech_mercedes_singapore2010.jpg

Bargeboards!!

http://www.formula1.com/wi/597x478/sutton/2010/d10kor1327.jpg

There were talks about Merc finally getting the F-duck fully working, and EBD!



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Great photos! Love to see this stuff. Keep it up! You did get permission to use the photos, right?

As for the shake up next season in the team, I hope it will only help Nico. He seems to be doing quite well this season.

I would hate to see a move that would take something away from him to then provide to Schumi. Nico has been too strong this season for that kind of play within the team. I trust Brawn is smarter than that.

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I'm pretty sure Ross sees Nico's talent and also wants to maximize Michael's as well. I'm convinced we'll see both drivers making progress in a better car.
Bottom line, too much money at stake to go backwards.
We'll be okay.

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W02 diffuser tested on Rosberg car on Brazil friday's free practice. According to this website LINK Nico tested a single deck diffuser. Since double deck diffusers will be banned in 2011, hence the presumption that Mecedes is already testing this important part which will be installed on the W02 next year.



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I came a cross this pic, it might be the WO2 spec diffusor.

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2010/f1/gp-interlagos-05nov-2/378wri.jpg



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Formula1 site:

Pirelli tyres,adjustable rear wings among 2011 changes

[www.formula1.com]

I think the new rules will give more possibilities to catch up the front runners. Maybe even go past them. And we do know Merc has been developing 2011 racer probably from the beginning of 2010, when they saw W01 wasnt a winner.



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Dont want to be controversial, but why dont the new rules give the front runners the opportunity to increase the gap?



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Maybe when the first pictures, news etc. about new racer comes public we might know better where we stands.



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Dont want to be controversial, but why dont the new rules give the front runners the opportunity to increase the gap?

Yep you are right, it could just as easily go that way. Its like a lottery to some extent, the tyres end up will suiting certain cars & drivers more than others but as no teams have tested the tyres yet & there is no chance to do any more than guess what the tyres will be like & build the car to those estimations.

So a they are all in the same boat, some slower teams might get lucky & move up the grid if the tyres suit their car design more than others, but we as Herman points out we could just as easily see one of the top teams get even faster too.

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True that guys but lets hope Ross, Nico and MS tops all.
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rule changes from wikipeida

Rule changes

* 2011 will see the return of the 107% rule in qualifying.[2][59] Under this arrangement, any driver who fails to set a time within 107% of the fastest lap in Q1 (the rule won't apply in Q2 and Q3) will not be permitted to take part in the race; for instance, if the fastest lap is 1 minute 40 seconds, a driver must set a time faster than 1 minute 47 seconds in order to make it to the grid.

* Following the controversial 2010 German Grand Prix, the FIA has moved to increase the maximum allowable penalty ($100,000 to $250,000) that racing stewards can issue to teams after penalising Ferrari one hundred thousand dollars for the use of team orders. Former World Champion Jackie Stewart commented that "$100,000 is no penalty for a team whose budget is many, many multiples higher."[60]

Tyre supplier changes

* Tyre supplier Bridgestone announced that it would not renew its contract with Formula One at the end of the 2010 season.[61] After several months of deliberation, Pirelli was chosen as the tyre supplier for 2011 at the FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting in Geneva, in June 2010.[2][62]
* At the 2010 British Grand Prix, Bernie Ecclestone revealed that he had been in talks with five manufacturers, but Pirelli was the only company that could be ready in time for the 2011 season. Although the Pirelli deal was more expensive for the teams than some of the other bids, the company would pay for on-track advertising meaning the teams would get some return on their investment. Ecclestone also revealed that he wanted tyres with a significantly shorter lifespan than in 2010 following the reception to the 2010 Canadian Grand Prix, where abnormally high tyre wear created unpredictable racing.[63]
* The twelve teams have moved to establish "a close alliance" with Pirelli[64] in order to prevent one team from gaining an unfair advantage through intimate knowledge of the new tyres – similar to the Ferrari-Bridgestone and Renault-Michelin relationships during the Formula One "tyre war" – following repeated suggestions that test drivers Nick Heidfeld, Pedro de la Rosa and Romain Grosjean will be in demand because of their knowledge of the final versions of the tyres.

Technical changes

* The maximum height of the diffuser will be cut from 175 millimetres (6.9 in) to 125 millimetres (4.9 in), reducing aerodynamic downforce. Furthermore, measures were agreed to exclude double diffuser designs.[65]
* In the week leading up to the 2010 Spanish Grand Prix, a formal proposal was submitted to FOTA by British engineering firm Flybrid to supply the entire grid with a mandatory, standardized KERS unit, following campaigns led by Ferrari and Renault to see the technology re-introduced for the 2011 season.[66] After the 2010 Canadian Grand Prix, Ferrari confirmed they would be running the KERS device on their 2011 car,[67] but the system will not be mandatory.
* In order to compensate for the increase in weight brought about by KERS, the minimum weight of the car will increase from 620 kilograms (1,367 lb) to 640 kilograms (1,411 lb).[67]
* FOTA have agreed to ban the controversial "F-duct" system developed by McLaren for the MP4-25 and later deployed by other teams through the 2010 season.[68]
* At the meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Geneva in June 2010, an adjustable rear wing system was confirmed as an addition to the 2011 rules.[2] It will be introduced to aid overtaking, serving as a substitute for the F-duct system. In a similar system to the KERS regulator used in 2009, the adjustable rear wing would only be available under certain conditions; namely, drivers will only be able to use it when they are within one second of the car in front, but it would not be usable within the first two laps of a race except in the case of an early safety car. The system is expected to offer drivers an additional 15 km/h (9.3 mph) when passing,[69] and will deactivate when the driver first touches the brakes after using the rear wing. The concept, which has been negatively received by drivers and fans alike,[70] could be dropped if it proves impractical or unmanageable.[71]

* For the first time, cars will have a mandatory weight distribution, reported to be a ratio of 46:54.[72] This is intended to prevent teams from having to make expensive changes to the internal configuration of their cars in the event of changes to tyre compounds introduced by new tyre supplier Pirelli. * The number of wheel tethers – the load-bearing cables connecting tyres to the bodywork – will be doubled for 2011, in response to an increasing number of accidents where wheels have been torn free of their mountings, including the death of Henry Surtees in a Formula Two race at Brands Hatch in 2009.[73]

Sponsorship changes

* On October 4, 2010, Sauber announced a partnership with Mexican telecommunications group Telmex that would include significant branding on their car for the 2011 season.[51] The announcement coincided with the signing of GP2 driver Sergio Pérez, who is a part of Telmex's driver development program.
* Dutch electronics corporation Philips, announced that they would not renew their contract with Williams at the 2010 Brazilian Grand Prix, ending a five-year relationship with the Grove-based team. The Royal Bank of Scotland will also end their association to the team.[74]

Other changes

* The FIA has suggested that any driver who is caught committing road offences – such as Lewis Hamilton's "hooning" incident in Melbourne – could be punished with a loss of their Super Licence, thereby preventing them from racing.[52][75]
* Team members deemed to be in key roles – i.e. team principal, sporting director, race engineers, team manager and technical director – will have to undergo accreditation for a "competitors' staff licence" in order to maintain their positions within their teams.[52] This is seen as a reaction to the actions of disgraced former Renault team principal Flavio Briatore at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix[76] and applies to all key staff in all FIA-sanctioned World Championships, including the World Rally Championship, World Touring Car Championship and GT1 World Championship in addition to Formula One.
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I think these changes gives MGP a chance they needed. Today 20.11 Nico said that Pirelli tyres were not changing MGP overall performance. I agree, that a lot more has to change than tyre usage if we want to be on the top. And i bet 2011 racer is totally different than W01 was. And it should be.



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Interesting feedback from the tyre test session

MS and Nico both happy based on autosport articles

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The times set with the tyre testing sessions (yesterday and today) as very interesting...although we don't know what each teams objectives were exactly in the testing sessions. Here is the times taken from www.formula1.com.

Yesterday
1. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 1:40.170, 94 laps
2. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 1:40.500, 78
3. Gary Paffett, McLaren, 1:40.874, 94
4. Kamui Kobayashi, BMW Sauber, 1:40.950, 83
5. Robert Kubica, Renault, 1:41.032, 39
6. Rubens Barrichello, Williams, 1:41.425, 91
7. Paul di Resta, Force India, 1:41.615, 21
8. Nico Rosberg, Mercedes GP, 1:41.778, 81
9. Jaime Alguersuari, Toro Rosso, 1:42.019, 71
10. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 1:42.859, 20
11. Timo Glock, Virgin, 1:44.124, 78
12. Heikki Kovalainen, Lotus, 1:44.686, 88
13. Pastor Maldonado, HRT, 1:45.728, 83

Today
1. Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, 1:40.529, 105 laps
2. Michael Schumacher, Mercedes GP, 1:40.685, 74
3. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 1:40.825, 66
4. Rubens Barrichello, Williams, 1:41.294, 101
5. Robert Kubica, Renault, 1:41.614, 90
6. Gary Paffett, McLaren, 1:41.622, 46
7. Oliver Turvey, McLaren, 1:41.740, 30
8. Paul di Resta, Force India, 1:41.869, 35
9. Kamui Kobayashi, BMW Sauber, 1:42.110, 43
10. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 1:42.145, 98
11. Vitantonio Liuzzi, Force India, 1:42.416, 46
12. Sergio Perez, BMW Sauber, 1:42.777, 46
13. Jarno Trulli, Lotus, 1:44.521, 83
14. Pastor Maldonado, HRT, 1:44.768, 65
15. Timo Glock, Virgin, 1:44.783, 82

Interesting for me is that both Massa and MS complained about the tires during this season as one of the main reasons for their underperforming and both like similar setups in general. Both fared well in this sessions...coincidence? Guess we will have to wait and see.

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Apparently Schumi's time were taken away and he dropped into 7th place as he cut a chicane on that time.



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The lap times do not matter... What matters is that both drivers believe they have a tyre that will work in 2011

Pirelli will analyse the data and consult with the FIA to determine which two teams will contest the championship next season lol

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The lap times do not matter... What matters is that both drivers believe they have a tyre that will work in 2011
Very true

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Pirelli will analyse the data and consult with the FIA to determine which two teams will contest the championship next season lol
(Sm22)



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Curious to see how Nico Rosberg first negatve statement reported on Autosport on Nov 19 after Pirelli test was corrected to a more positive one released on Nov 20. Mercedes has started to restructure the team starting from PR maybe?



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zio.ken, your observation is true with regards to Rosberg
However, it was the same last year. MS said the car was not good enough, Rosberg said the car was ready and once they got to Bahrain with updates Merc will be at the front.

MS had to retract his statement when Ross towed the team line that the car was going to be competitive

Lets be honest, Ross paraded the 2009 Brawn car at the launch of the 2010 car because, there was no 2010 car to display lol. Yet the media played up the expectations of viewers that MS was going to walk on water lol.... when he was saying all along that they were building a team from scratch.

Red Bull took about three years since Newey to be where it is, Ferrari took three years,too...so too did Honda/Brawn .. yet MS was to carry the hopes of this team immediately after being away for three years karting, playing with bikes and jumping out of planes lol

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Autosport:

Nico: Merc will adapt to Pirelli tyres

[www.autosport.com]

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Autosport:
Nico: Merc will adapt to Pirelli tyres

[www.autosport.com]

It will help if you read the posts and not post articles willy nilly

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22 Nov, 2010 10:59 Report
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True that sorry, i was in horry.

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Here is what really was read at Autosport:

Rosberg: Mercedes will adapt to tyres

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MS said the car was not good enough, Rosberg said the car was ready

What he meant was that He wasnt good enough, he was worried about being trashed by Nico, which in reality was what happened.



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EDIT: I didnt see that PharLap had already brought times from Pirelli test.

I will leave these Ross comments.

From the official MGP site:

"Ross Brawn: "Michael and Nico have now completed their first days in the car on Pirelli tyres and both have been impressed. This week's test has been very productive for us and comes at a time when we can use the information gathered here to fine-tune the detail of our 2011 car and optimise the areas which we believe will be critical. Pirelli have done an excellent job to get these tyres to where they are now after such a short period of time and we are looking forward to working closely with them through the winter test programme at the start of next year."



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F1technical:

Honda's 2009 KERS system unveiled

http://www.f1technical.net/images/news/2010/kers-290.gif

During the EVS 25 electric vehicle expo in Shanghai earlier this months, Honda engineers presented a glimpse into the development of an advanced high-performance electric motor that Honda had designed as part of a KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) intended for its 2009 Formula One race car.

The stunning design shows how much money was invested by Honda before it withdrew from Formula One. Although alternatives with a flywheel were tried out, they main focus were on a battery system, albeit with the batteries housed in nosecone.

The team judged that this position could retain the packaging and optimisation of the sidepods, while batteries low in the front helped frontal weight bias. The design went as far as housing a water cooler inside the nose to cool down the battery pack.

Power from the batteries was transferred through an oil cooled motor in the left hand sidepod.

Vehicle testing commenced in April 2008 with straight course accelerations, and progressed into circuit tests at Silverstone the following month. Additional circuit tests were conducted at full load in September and showed that it could improve laptimes from 2 to 3 tenths, depending on the circuit.


http://www.f1technical.net/images/news/2010/intext/honda-kers.jpg


The final design achieved 7.8 kW (10.46 hp) of power per kilogram, close to Honda's design goal of 8 kilowatts per kilogram. Peak motor efficiency was 99% and peak generator efficiency during regen was 93%. Motor weight was 6.9 kilograms.

Read more about the battery system and details of the flywheel system at:
[www.greencarcongress.com] ... -7-kg.html

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Could MGP take all the good things like battery locations etc. from Hondas plans?!?!

I think what ever happens MGP will have advantage of Mercedes KERS which McLAren used 09, which was better than Ferraris i believe.



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That statement from Ross was mere corporate political BS.

I cant help thinking that the real position was told by Nico before he was told to go out and praise Pirelli.

There must be some reason why Ross wants them as friends, perhaps he wants to influence their developement.



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5.12.10

It seems to be the case that passive F-duck might be legal 2011. Its been talked in many sites and this clearly would be big advantage for MGP. Active F-duck was clearly dangerous, so the decision is logical.

Clearly Ross aimed for 2011. Sounds good??!?!?



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I can see how it would be dangerous if someone left one on the track.


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Yes, It would definitely clog up the F-duck @ 300 km.

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There were talks about Merc having the best KERS in 09. It was ofcourse used by Macca. But anyways Merc has continued its development work and it weights now 21 kgs while 09 it was 25 kgs so big improvement already.
Sorry but i dont have link. This was talked in Autosport forum.

Also :"They'll probably be running a pull-rod design like Red Bull for 2011"

Ross comments about it:

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

"To give you an example, a pull-rod rear suspension was something that some of my engineers wanted to do, but when it came down to it we opted for a more conservative approach and stuck to what we knew.

"I didn't feel we were in a position to do that back then, because if it didn't go right we could have been in an even worse situation than we are now.

"I didn't restructure the team until earlier this year. What I feel now is that I have got an organisation where I am very comfortable if they want to tackle those sorts of challenges. I'm encouraging them to do so."



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@ScarbsF1:Mercedes GP hire suspension engineer Toshi Iguchi from Toyota motorsport


Toshi Iguchi’s Experience
Senior Suspension Designer
Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix Limited
noviembre de 2010 — Present (2 months)

Senior Development Engineer
Toyota Motorsport GmbH
jenero de 2009 — noviembre de 2010 (1 year 11 months)

TF109 - TF110

Various performance enhancement projects in Advanced Project Group
Design Engineer
BMW Sauber
junio de 2006 — septiembre de 2008 (2 years 4 months)

F1.07 - F1.08
Composite design
Rear wing, crash structure
Design Engineer
McLaren Racing
octubre de 2000 — mayo de 2006 (5 years 8 months)

MP4/16 - MP4/21
Mechanical / Composite design / R&D
Driver control, suspension, roll hoop, wing, bodywork
Design Engineer
Reynard Motorsport
octubre de 1997 — septiembre de 2000 (3 years )

2KQ Le Mans car
Panoz Q9 hybrid Le Mans car
Ford Mondeo BTCC
Strathcarron road car

Mechanical / composite design / R&D
Engineer
Dome co., ltd.
abril de 1992 — septiembre de 1996 (4 years 6 months)

F1 prototype
F3000
Honda Accord JTCC
Electric vehicle (2x)
Concept cars for motor show

Mechanical / composite design / R&D
FEM in composite
CAM programming
Computer system administration
Manufacturing / assembly



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5.1.11

MTV3 news page announced that MercedesGp has passed the crash test with W02.

They were quoting Sportplus site and Jean Lois Moncet.
There was written that this was done on Monday.

Anything official about this???

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Hope its not only rumour and MGP is on schedule.



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Mercedes building new simulator

@GpUpdate:
[www.gpupdate.net]



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5.1.11
MTV3 news page announced that MercedesGp has passed the crash test with W02.

They were quoting Sportplus site and Jean Lois Moncet.
There was written that this was done on Monday.

Anything official about this???

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Hope its not only rumour and MGP is on schedule.

They said the Ferrari was radical. But little was said of the Merc design

Then again the Ferrari was radical last year

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@F2005

True that, good points!!

LDM and Ferrari team are riding on the hype wave.
... i predict trouble with KERS and all the new rule changes for them.

Ross has a past of making the best out of changes. We´ll see.
I hope F2005, that you bring here the tech news if you read /found something i havent spot. It would make my life much easier. You have always great input.

Cheers!!



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There have been talks about MGP development done for WO2, here is quote from the talks:

" Mercedes insiders are confident that the new-for-2011 W02 is potentially a championship winning car. Although the team remains only cautiously optimistic in public, sources inside the team have revealed to AUTOSPORT that expectations are very high for the car. It is understood that downforce levels already exceed the teams original targets and that the design, a substantial departure from the unwieldy 2010 machine, is expected to win races from the start of the season.

The team has also stolen a march on rivals, by becoming the first team to run the adjustable rear wing at Abu Dhabi. "
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Interesting!!!



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Its getting closer!!

F1 test calendar 2011:

F1 test calendar 2011 Number Date Country Circuit Results
1. 1 Feb 2011 Valencia Valencia, Ricardo Tormo
2. 2 Feb 2011 Valencia Valencia, Ricardo Tormo
3. 3 Feb 2011 Valencia Valencia, Ricardo Tormo
4. 10 Feb 2011 Jerez Circuit Permanente de Jerez
5. 11 Feb 2011 Jerez Circuit Permanente de Jerez
6. 12 Feb 2011 Jerez Circuit Permanente de Jerez
7. 13 Feb 2011 Jerez Circuit Permanente de Jerez
8. 18 Feb 2011 Barcelona Circuit de Catalunya
9. 19 Feb 2011 Barcelona Circuit de Catalunya
10. 20 Feb 2011 Barcelona Circuit de Catalunya
11. 21 Feb 2011 Barcelona Circuit de Catalunya
12. 3 Mar 2011 Bahrain Bahrain International Circuit
13. 4 Mar 2011 Bahrain Bahrain International Circuit
14. 5 Mar 2011 Bahrain Bahrain International Circuit
15. 6 Mar 2011 Bahrain Bahrain International Circuit



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Does anyone knows when the W02 should be unveiled? I am wondering whether we will be testing the new car on February 1st or not.



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Sorry but i dont know... pass it here if you find!?!? Thank you.



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Merc has confirmed that the MGP W02 will be launched feb 1st at valencia....pretty exciting.cant w8 for it to se it on action grinning smiley

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Is the image shown on the Merc website a sneaky preview of the W02 or what? link

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@Zio

It sure looks like it. Too bad they made an effort to hide all the parts in that pic.

What i quess is that nose/first part will be lower, why else they would have made it extra black for the picture!!

http://assets.mercedes-gp.com/cmsmedia/news/images/422_big.jpg



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@Timba7 i doubt that that is the W02 because the nose detail and front wing look similar to the W01......i see a change on the air intake ontop of the cockpit but i still doubt that it is

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@Mjay

Yes, i also think its a teaser!! smiling smiley



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Rosberg to rol out car first
click for story

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Lets hope Nico takes the first step to right direction!!

Like he said the testing scedule is done to be fair for both drivers even its "special" to get the first test session.



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Timba
Thanks for posting the testing dates.

I can't wait to see the W02 on 1st Feb. It's getting closer and more exciting..........



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i have a question for you guys......what is a 'radical design.' i get confused about this stuff. is it a car design or an art thing

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In this context, it means car design. It means that the design or some aspects of the car is adventurous, or the opposite of traditional.



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@Pits

Good to see testing times were usefull...
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about the radical design. i think if it looks new and radical then its radical smiling smiley

i mean anvil wing... new wider front wings 2009, sauber/BMW nose, which is radical but ugly. RB nose, F60 etc.



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Is the image shown on the Merc website a sneaky preview of the W02 or what? link

YES! the photo posted on the Merc website was really an hidden image of the W02, and now there is a new one, you can now spot a little more...link HERE



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Nice!!



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http://bilder.bild.de/BILD/sport/motorsport/formel1/2011/01/30/welt-exklusiv/imagemap/auto.jpg

Bild, with new teaser i quess??



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Getting excited for the season and can't wait to see all the photos on the car!

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Contrarian,

Welcome to the sight, hope to read your opinions.
We are also awaiting the 2011 car with great expectations.

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We should have a lighter KERS system coming according to HAug

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very nice looking car and looks competitive.....very similar to the RB6 nose.....cant w8 to see it in action tomorrow at testing

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@Spartan

I also read that the new KERS system will be lighter than what Macca used 09.
@MJay

I agree, nice looking car and i really like the colour. Lets hope its fast. Tomorrow is the day!!

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@Formula1

Confident Mercedes set ambitious targets for MGP W02

[www.formula1.com]



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Here is 2011 cars for comparison.
This is from Valencia first day of testing

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Valencia day 1:

the live timing from williams:

[www.attwilliams.com]



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u think mercedes is keeping a low profile until the season starts????? i know that testing times dont tell us much but the laps that rosberg did were pretty slow

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Low profile ?

Doubt that, the car was having mechanical problems. Not the way to start the season nor launch the car.

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Is it just me? The W02 seems to have the biggest sidepod from the pictures.

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@Sessions

I agree.

But i am still very positive about the car. I think it looks different than W01 and radical.

Maybe when they get the package working it will give us signs about the pace.



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@DC2

It sure looks like it.



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Maybe some good news even tho we suffered a hydraulics problem.

Quote:
VALENCIA: Nico Rosberg hailed his new Mercedes as a big step up for the Formula One team on Tuesday.
Despite suffering a hydraulics problem on the car's test debut, and completing just nine laps around the Valencia circuit, the German made all the right noises about a machine he will be counting on to bring him a first victory in his sixth season.

"It was good. I just felt at home straight away," he said of the MGPW02 after having the first run in a car presented to the media only that morning.

"I felt like at one with the car, it didn't feel like a different car that I don't know. It felt very nice," added the 25-year-old. "That's a very important thing straight away."

Full article: [uk.eurosport.yahoo.com]

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