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15 Feb, 2012 20:22 Report
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Mercedes AMG eye-candy
I noticed Mercedes offered a glimpse of the W03 on F1update.net today. It was a blackened image revealing little. The nose and other features of the car were cloaked.
The car colours seemed to lend themselves to a darker version than we've gotten use to, but it may have just been a lighting trick to wet our appetite.
Other than that there's little to pass on. The tyre testing seemed to be successful and our drivers both had good times and project smiles and confidence going into the next practice which will debut the W03.

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16 Feb, 2012 06:58 Report
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Great pics Sessions!!

Little too dark for spotting whats new, but anyways thats the real thing. First peek.



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looks like some of my work. lol

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16 Feb, 2012 09:42 Report
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now that is a tease of the best proportions. if you try and link the highlighted profiles that are lit by lining them up it does seem to suggest, to me, that there may well be a step nose. so hard to tell as the angle of the pic does distort the lines.

interesting also to note that adrian newey seems to think that the delay in releasing the new car on track indicates that they are most likely hiding something that may be relatively easy to copy. the later it is shown the less chance of other teams getting a copy to the track in time for melbourne. he also seemed to think that it may be front wing design!!!

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easy to copy = the quicker the advantage is lost. Unless this is some impressive break through I doubt we'll be leading the pack like the BrawnGP days. Not getting my hopes too high just as yet

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As far as a 'tease' goes, that was one of the better ones I've seen. Can't wait for Tues to see the full car. (Sm13)



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video: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yy4LtpZQZiM[/url]

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apparently it has just been acknowledged by haug that the car does actually feature a step nose although maybe a 'not so steep' elevation!.

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on other forums they're saying that it seems we have some innovative exhaust layout from the short clip that was posted yesterday. Sounds different than normal tbh so it could very well be. Maybe the front wing chat was all a tactic to divert attention away from the real secret [if any].

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Can't wait to see it on track in testing next week...

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Oh, boy... i have to say. That is ugly!! And i had little bit fun with Ferraris creature. Maybe i opened my mouth too early.



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Geez that is soooooooo ugly. Wow.



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Thank uncle Charlie for that and the FIA.

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macca and lotus have done prober job with the nosejob.

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How about some real eye-candy? Here is the W03; I think it looks pretty good.

http://www.f1today.nl/foto.php?file=19615



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http://www.f1today.nl/foto.php?file=19613


These are from the private test yesterday.Another one here:

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Yeah, not as bad as some of the others, just hope the new car puts us closer to front.

Go Mercedes AMG !

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Those are better pics. Thank you Tifosa.
Still not quite what i was hoping to see. Anyways i am thrilled to see the W03. Bring it on!!!

It must be fast!!!!



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http://cdn.f1zone.net/news/wp-content/gallery/mercedes-amg-petronas-f1-w03/443579719-195672122012.jpg
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21 Feb, 2012 09:21 Report
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Great pics Spartan!!!

Rb style front wing + F-duck + nose job.



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yes and more stuff to come, I just read that the very tight back end is for the exhaust gas flow. In fact our exhaust are much further forward and there are flow deflectors on the rear suspension rods.
The front f-duct is actually called W-Duct and it's for cornering mostly and not for reducing drag like the previous F-duct. It helps for better tyre degradation and also known as "Amplifier" a technology pioneered by our MGP team.
Word in the paddock is that the most innovative secret is hidden in our rear suspension and not easily noticeable just yet.
We abandoned the "twin" radiator design of last year to make the side pods narrower and lighter hence the well pronounced upper part and the MGP3 is also slightly longer this year to make better use of the rear tyres.
So far it's looking good, just hoping these things convert to points and good performances.

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Seems to me that Costa, Bell and co. has something to prove.
And they are really working on it!



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Today's test time was (I guess) decent considering it was only the second time out of the box. I would assume they were following a checklist and seeing if things were working properly. Shooting for the fastest time may not be the prime objective. Hope Nico can up the ante tomorrow.
The more I look at the W03 the more it is growing on me.
Massive structure seems to be required to hold the new wing in place.
Let's hope we've done things right.

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I think the silver paint flatters the cars lines. I do like the car, stepped nose notwithstanding.

sessions, I wonder if the front structure is more for aero benefit in directing airflow than just to hold the wing on.

I am interested in seeing pics of the rear and above-rear to see what they have done back there. Looks very tight.

I hope the car is quick. Looks good, anyway.

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the rear of the car is stunning.

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Gotta give credit where credit is due: It's a stunning livery. I just wish it was on last years car. That is some SERIOUSLY good looking paint work.



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aero work is really showing signs of improvement. I guess the new additions to our team had a good say so far on the design.



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Again it's testing and tomorrow will be only our third day. It was mentioned there is fear of being leap frogged by a team who finished behind us last year. There's always a chance we can regress but IMHO it's way too early to think that way.
As Parm mentioned Force India's money situation could play a role, as could other factors that can come out of the woodwork for any team.
Granted the car really looks top drawer so until its pace determines it's not going to move upward, I'm going to remain positive and put a faith in Mercedes and their efforts to improve.

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Yep...they're done: Kingfisher Airlines in bad shape

Isn't it hysterical how they "allegedly" can afford to sponsor an F1 team, but they've never made a profit? I mean, EVER.

So much for Marketing. This is yet another example of the fact that it simply does NOT work.



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Too bad for India, new track, devoted fans. I hope things work out somehow. Maybe on paper things are worse, but somebody has a whole herd of money stuck in a mattress.

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It's tragic. It is, however, what I've said all along: People THINK that F1 makes money. It doesn't. It's a showcase that you PAY to be a part of. The only people that make money are FOM...and they make BILLIONS.

Everybody else loses.

Here comes the funny part: I wonder what the stockholders think now that they know they've spent about 20 million dollars a year so that their boss could go racing for fun while the company went belly up.

And nobody gave a damn.



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mclaren have made mega millions out of F1, ron dennis is very,very wealthy as are most team principals, sauber,frank williams et al people. all made from within F1..

team personnel earn excellent salaries as well...then there are the drivers who are extremely rich too.

the F1 industry supports a massive number of engineering specialists making componetry.

none of these people are employed by FOM. some teams fall by the wayside due to a plethora of reasons....poor marketing,bad business models etc etc etc.

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F1 is far from a poor mans sport. Anyone with a name has gained millions. As K1 mentioned, I'm sure many involved are being paid well and most likely enjoying what they do.
Force India is just another saga unfolding and only time will tell the final story. Not unlike the Austin F1 ordeal. Either the gates will open or they will not.
I hope both find a way to afford the party.

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some people still think that F1 is solely a sport. as i have said many times before, it is a business that masquerades as a sport or operates with a sporting component.

each and every team is a registered business entity and most employ very many hundreds of people in their respective establishments. they operate as businesses and are subject to the same corporate laws as all businesses,

sometimes businesses go belly up....that is what happens sometimes in business business and can occur for many different reasons, mainly when expenditure exceeds income.as you have acknowledged sessions there are very many handsomely paid people in F1 and they are lucky to enjoy such handsome rewards for their efforts in a business that must be exhilarating to be a part of.

it is a pity that some people seem to get off on 'schadenfreude' without acknowledging that most people entering F1 do so because it is of vital interest to them and i am sure that they don't go there to fail. those teams that do fail have at least had a go and shouldn't be dissed on for doing so.

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As far as I know, Mallya didn't come to racing knowing that he will race to top and earn millions. He has been a racing enthusiast and has been following f1 since more than two decades. If it was profit, then he would have pulled out the first year.

Mallya's airline losses is something which failed due to strategy as they didn't have any experience in airlines, and there were no special team head appointed with experience, but Mallya himself headed it, and no surprises that the airlines mimicked his kingsize style and provided luxuries to passengers. It was good when passengers had all the praises for the airline, but when the cost went zooming up with fuel prices, did the pressed the panic button and then took over a profit making low cost airline, only to make even that too a loss making concern.

But, knowing him all these years from his passion to sports, especially racing and football, i doubt he will bow out of F1, as he has already partnered Sahara and got the required funding, and the important thing that his he is still the king in liquor business, so the force india future looks more or less safe.



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mallya is an astute businessman, that is why he has achieved what he has done to date. unfortunately airlines suffer from all the fluctuations of business inputs in a more direct fashion. fuel is the major fixed input amongst many others of course.

F1 is without doubt a serious marketing tool used correctly and FI have been very effective in this. they have got quite substantial airtime over the years.

i have very little hard data to use but from what i can gather they are a reasonably efficient F1 operation and they have achieved quite a lot over the past couple of years. i wish them well.

your statement jay that mallya didn't come into F1 expressly to make 'millions' in profit may well be true although i have never discussed it with him but being the hard nosed businessman that he is reputed to be, i am sure that the thought did cross his mind! as he is so passionate about his racing i would think that he would be aiming to do that, make a profit that is, to sustain his longevity in F1 as not all cash cows continue to give full cream milk.

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Ummm...wow.

The fact is this: Kingfisher Airlines has not made a single dime since it was founded in 2005. The company has lost money EVERY SINGLE YEAR. This isn't about the economy or gas prices. Gas prices there haven't changed in decades.

Now then, why would a company hemorrhaging money hand over fist give an F1 team 10's of millions of dollars doing nothing more than adding to the airlines already staggering debt?

Simple: they never had any intention of making money. They secured loans from banks knowing they would never be paid back. They then funneled all of that money straight to the bosses pocket to go racing.

And when the banks wont loan you anymore money, when you can't get any more credit extensions, you blame the economy and throw your employees who haven't been paid for weeks under the bus.

It's fraud. Plain and simple. F1 is a part of it by allowing it to happen...and they do it A LOT.



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WOW,to put that in writing.... those are extremely serious accusations there. do you have any evidence to substantiate your claims of fraud, which is a criminal offence?

can you substantiate your theory re 'aviation fuel' not having any deviation in price for seven years? would love to see it. should qantas relocate to india along with all other airlines. the lure of 'avgas' at prices from seven years ago i should think would be a mighty incentive.

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this is interesting.... some homework to consider re my queries.

for example, fuel stability in india for avgas. in 2004 [just a random year for perspective] the variations in the first seven months amounted to 21.5%.

i did postulate that all airlines suffer from fuel fluctuations heavily and that it can be the cause of airlines going into free fall, on a financial basis.

kingfisher airlines fuel bills illustrate what a major component it is on the P&L. for example, some random consecutive years,

fuel as a % of total expenditures

2008 50%

2009 44%

2010 38%

2011 43%

interesting data....

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Ummmm...wow again. It's an AIRLINE. Of COURSE fuel is the main cost. Wow.

Also notice you give no figures for the first half of the airlines existence. How convenient. It would show that fuel hasn't gone up at all. In fact, the data you just posted shows it getting CHEAPER. That is exactly what I've said: The price of fuel has nothing to do with it.

Here in the U.S., fuel did go up considerably, but the airlines made up for it by charging higher rates and charging for baggage which used to be free. They made billions off it.


And by the way, VJ is in a bit of trouble over this. It's not over by a long shot. When you're out racing with the companies money while your employees haven't been paid in weeks, you are in BIG trouble. That is the very definition of fraud. It's theft by deception at the very least.



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Oh...here you go as well:

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Civil Aviation Minister, Ajit Singh had earlier announced that the government will allow interested foreign carriers to acquire a stake in Indian domestic carriers. The Union Cabinet is yet to deliberate on the issue and decide on the quantum of stake sale that the foreign airlines will be allowed pick up.
For the European carrier that Mallya is in talks with, this could be the best time to enter the otherwise “closed” civil aviation sector in the country. “Look at the advantages for anyone wanting to pick up a stake in KFA today. Its shares are trading at the lowest band; it has permits to fly on international sectors and a fleet of 64 serviceable aircraft,” the source added.

However, according to the source, the talks have hit a road block as the European carrier is not willing to pick up the tab of Rs 7,000 crore that KFA owes to a consortium of 18 banks led by State Bank of India which has already declared KFA loans as non performing assets (NPAs).

“If the foreign carrier is allowed to pick up stake in KFA it will bring in fresh investments, better management and a new lease of life to a carrier which suffered more at the hands of the management than the market forces,” the source added.

Source: Tehelka

See? When you search for FACTS, you find out that everybody knows that what I said is true. (about fuel having nothing to do with it, that it is COMPLETE failure on managements part) Only you make everything up as you go along and never, ever, under ANY circumstances back it up with any facts at all.



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You are right on management part Parm. As i said, there was no specialist with experience in airlines handling kingfisher. Mallya, who is basically a liquor baron, handled himself and faltered. It was a mistake.

He only jumped in as airlines business was opening up and government was supportive, but his strategy failed miserably.

As far as profit is concerned, only one single airline of the whole lot operating in India is doing profit, rest all are in losses. However, the losses of other airlines have been not huge and that is because they controlled the cost factor, which was out of the roof for Kingfisher.

Kingfisher is most likely to be closed may be this year, or someone like Sahara or others may just bail them out, but definitely it was not the intention of Mallya to fool banks etc., That's too huge an accusation, and Mallya is not a defaulter with good business history.

Government too keep going back on their policies on opening up new foreign sectors, which too hit them badly, as they were pinning their major hopes on business from that source.

In short, the strategy failed big time, and there are various factors that affect viz., internal management, external factors like government policies, prices etc.,



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firstly parmigi you should re read my post. i mentioned fuel as a major input cost, amongst many. fuel costs cannot be controlled by users. fuel costs as an impact on cut price, non full service carriers can be devastating as the client base is ultra price sensitive. nowhere have i stated that fuel, 'per se' is the reason why KFA has not turned a profit.

secondly, you state that,'gas prices haven't changed in decades' [plural]. to suggest that aviation fuel prices have been static for over twenty years is patently absurd.

in light of the second point i have made i can only presume that the reason why as a percentage of expenditures the fuel component appears to be within a small range of deviation, expressed as a percentage, is that the cost of capital by way of increased funding has altered the rates by comparison.interest may be taken up as an expense therefore altering all other ratios which as any businessman will tell you are never static.

yes, management may have contributed to a drop in performance vis-a-vis returns. this conjecture has not been tested though as far as i can tell.only a full forensic examination would be able to deliver a verdict.

as to the alleged criminal actions entered into by mallya or his agents regarding your accusation of fraud/ theft...where is your evidence? fraud usually carries with it a charge of 'intent'. you are alleging that mallya borrowed heavily via kingfisher then funnelled those funds directly into FI with no intention of repayment by way of M&P?

that is a pretty heavy indictment to make. please note that i have refrained from any personal attacks here.

i have no problem re your comments jay. they may well be right and then again without intimate knowledge of the workings of KFA they may well be wide of the mark. i have an open mind and am just debating the issues without making extravagant claims re possible criminality on behalf of the FI/KFA business entities. that is an area which i would not canvas in my wildest dreams.

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I am with Parm on this one.

The problem is there is no one to call their bluff, coz money is the highest authority. Its called kapitalism.

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English footy is the same, clubs spend well beyond their means and if it does not bring success they simply go into administration, sell a few players, sack the tea lady and pay creditors 10p in the pound.

They then carry on as if nothing ever happened which for me is a kind of fraud, maybe legal but not moral.

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I think Manchester United has figured it all out?



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English footy is the same, clubs spend well beyond their means and if it does not bring success they simply go into administration, sell a few players, sack the tea lady and pay creditors 10p in the pound.
They then carry on as if nothing ever happened which for me is a kind of fraud, maybe legal but not moral.

fraud [frawd]
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deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.


You are correct...just like Kingfisher Airlines giving an F1 team 20 million dollars per year while they're going belly up bankrupt to the point that they can't get a penny from a bank anymore.

It is the very definition (NOTE TO KY: PLEASE READ THE DEFINITION) of Fraud.



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parm, I could have agreed if you threw Boeing in the mix. As fraud plagued that aircraft maker.

Competition is good but to accept that and raise to the next level one needs to admit they are not the only game in a global economy.



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That is a bit different. Boeing doesn't do well either, but they're not a carrier, they're a manufacturer. Aircraft is not all they do either, they do many different things. What's the name of that new one of theirs, the Dreamliner? More like the plague from hell? What a fiasco that has turned out to be.

The simple thing is I was talking about VJ and ONLY VJ. This has nothing to do with Boeing. We could rip them a new one as well, but the two are not even in the same ball park. Hell, it's not even the same SPORT for crying out loud.

VJ wanted to go racing. He had a start-up airline that was all "Bling" and no substance. Suddenly, he, as majority shareholder, takes it upon himself to give himself 20 million dollars of OTHER peoples money so he can go race F1 and have more "Bling".

He did this KNOWING FULL WELL that his airline was BLEEDING money hand over fist. KNOWING FULL WELL the airline was going further and further into debt and borrowing more and more good money to hurl after bad.

And where did roughly 30% of that money go? To his F1 team at his soul discretion.

Meanwhile, the airline employees are not being paid, most of the fleet is grounded, half the pilots are gone (over half now I think) and here comes the REALLY scary part: MOST OF THE DAMN GROUND CREWS ARE GONE!

Yea. I'll fly them.

NOT!

And who does he blame for it all? The government...because they don't want foreign companies owning Indian airlines. You see, VJ's answer is if outside people would just KEEP GIVING HIM MONEY, then suddenly EVERYTHING would be OK!

Now, sorry, but if that isn't fraud, then the word needs to be purged from the English language.



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The slight in regards to Boeing is complete poppycock, the new 787 is the first revolutionary airliner since the 707 of the fifties.This aircraft is a radical departure from tin tubes, being a carbon fibre aircraft with over 20% fuel savings of anything close in size and now flying. If this was such a bungle why have they presold well over 800 already. All new aircraft go thru teething problems. IE: the new airbus 380, long delays and recently wing cracks.This aircraft without doubt will be a great sucess and the first midsize passenger aircraft to be able to pair most citys anywhere in the world.



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Well, you are right in that it is a very innovative aircraft...but it was and still is beset with issues.

The wing structure failed dozens of times.
Over half the pre-orders were cancelled because the delivery dates were put off dozens of times as well.
The cost of the aircraft more than quadrupled.

The list goes on and on.

Yes, it is a fine aircraft NOW...but it went through a lot to get there. Could you imagine if the Petronas Towers had fallen over 11 or 12 times before they ever stayed up? Do you think people would look at them in the same light that they do now if that had happened?



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Parminio,

If you want to be a know-it-all get your facts right, I know this is a F-1 blog but can't resist answering your B--- Sh-t!

Boeing has never had a wing failure on any airliner except when put in a jig and bent till breakage, done with all new aircraft, never a failure on the dreamliner-787!

In regards to cost going up four times, more nonesense, ask the airlines or better email boeing, not even one time original cost.

Your statement about cancelled orders,would doubt if they have lost ten orders, they have converted some from 787-8s to 9s, larger version, as late as last week Air New Zealend increased their orders of 787s, check your facts I'll even give you some sources, Flight Global.com, or Boeing,but then maybe looking up things before making stupid statements is beyond an aspiring know-it all!

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Parminio,
If you want to be a know-it-all get your facts right, I know this is a F-1 blog but can't resist answering your B--- Sh-t!

OK...I'm going to be kind...I'll just take it point by point.

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Boeing has never had a wing failure on any airliner except when put in a jig and bent till breakage, done with all new aircraft, never a failure on the dreamliner-787!

First off, that is the DEFINITION of a wing failure. You don't put an aircraft IN THE AIR and THEN see if the wings fail. You test them in a jig under loads that the aircraft will operate under. Then you see how far the wing will really go. If it meets the standards needed for flight, it passes. If it does not, if fails. It's like the F1 crash test. You don't put the driver in the car, race it, wait for him to crash and THEN find out if the car is safe or not.

And yes, the Dreamliner FAILED. Not only did it fail, it failed MISERABLY.

The wing damage that grounded Boeing's new composite 787 Dreamliner occurred under less stress than previously reported — and is more extensive.

An engineer familiar with the details said the damage happened when the stress on the wings was well below the load the wings must bear to be federally certified to carry passengers.

In addition, information obtained independently and confirmed by a second engineer familiar with the problem shows the damage occurred on both sides of the wing-body join — that is, on the outer wing as well as inside the fuselage.


Source: Boeing 787 Grounded for failed wing

Moving right along...

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In regards to cost going up four times, more nonesense, ask the airlines or better email boeing, not even one time original cost.

Well, sir, I'm sorry to say, you could not POSSIBLY be more wrong.

Boeing will deliver to Japan's All Nippon Airlines the ceremonial keys to its first 787 jetliner Monday. The so-called Dreamliner is filled with technological innovations that should make flying more comfortable for passengers and more economical for airlines. But the 787 program is more than three years behind schedule and billions over budget, and many challenges remain.

Source: Boeing Dreamliner late and way over budget


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Your statement about cancelled orders,would doubt if they have lost ten orders


Hmmmm...let's see here...

China Eastern Airlines had ordered two dozen of the 787s, but the planes’ delivery is now delayed by more than three years.

The loss of the China Eastern order reduces Boeing’s 787 order book to below 800 aircraft.


Source: Chinese Airlines cancel Dreamliner ordre

AND

Air India's board has recommended that the state-run airline buy just 12 Dreamliners, down from 27 the company ordered in 2005.

Source: Air India Cancells order

Now, at this point, you look absolutely stupid. I'll go ahead and be kind and stop now.



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Parminio,

Seems you want a pi--ing match, I'll try to answer your points about the 787.

Re; Air India, ref Flight Global Oct 26/11 "Air India reels under billions of debt, cuts 787 order" this airline is another mess, as Kingfisher is, had nothing to do with the aircraft and everything to do with debt.

Re; China Eastern, again Flight Global, Oct 17/11 "China Eastern converts 24 787 orders to 45 B737 orders" Needs change.

Total orders, approx 867 orders, Boeing.com. I say about, as orders continue to come in, as I mentioned earlier Air New Zealand last week and prior to that Japan Airlines upped their order by another ten. I would love to wager that before years end orders exceed 1000! This aircraft is the most successful sales launch of any new airliner in history. I would think something all americans can be proud of and I'm not american.

The wing issues, yes in 2009 they had issues with the wing box and resolved, can youtube it or CBS.com Mar 31/10, 787 passes 150% of wing load test. meaning exceeded wing loading by 150%! This aircraft is now certified by the FAA and meets or exceeds all requirements.

All new aircraft go thru problems, if you think the 787 has had problems read up on the Airbus 380 issues, the last new airliner to come on stream, check their sales numbers, they pale compared to the 787. New A350 being built, same thing delays and problems, three years behind schedule, welcome to building aircraft. So I say again if you want to be a know-it-all read the facts then spout about what you know.



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You just can't stop being stupid, can you?

First you say the failure never happened. I prove it did. Now you admit it did, but just that once and it was fixed.

Wow. Do you bother to read up an ANYTHING about that POS aircraft?

Well, here you go idiot...just 5 months later:

Fix a problem and find another seems to be the name of the game with the Boeing’s much-delayed 787 Dreamliner.

Yesterday, Boeing announced that it had reinforced an area of the wings in the first test aircraft from a problem the company revealed in June. A tiny overstressed area of the wing where it attaches to the fuselage needed reinforcing, Boeing executives said in June.

“Completing this work is a significant step toward first flight. We continue to be pleased with the progress of the team and remain confident the first flight of the 787 Dreamliner will occur before the end of the year,” said vice president and general manager of the 787 program Scott Fancher in a press release.

However, the plane still must under both gauntlet and taxi tests before it can fly, the press release added.


First flight is still on for before the end of the year.
That’s the good news.

The bad news is that in repairing the wing, bolts in the wings were found to be delaminating surrounding composite material, according to a story in the Wall Street Journal that was posted on its web site late last night. However, the story says Boeing acknowledged the problem and claimed it is not serious enough to require a repair or delay first flight which is schedule before the end of the year.


Source: More problems with 787 wing

And then here we are with the same wing box problem A YEAR EARLIER:

Prayer and a wing: A preproduction Boeing 787 was unveiled last year, but parts of its wing box (bottom)--the major structure of each wing--buckled in stress tests.

Source: ANOTHER wing failure from 2008

And then, here we are FROM THIS WEEK!!!

Boeing said around 55 of its flagship 787 Dreamliners "have the potential" to develop a fuselage shimming problem, but reiterated that the fault was being fixed.

Source: Boeing 787 issues never end

I could go on and on and on for MONTHS.

Please...shut the hell up. You're WRONG. You've been PROVEN wrong. MANY TIMES. Damnit man...take what little pride you have left and let it go.



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Gentlemen,

Lots of good info here but lets keep in mind the name calling once again. (NO PERSONAL ATTACKS PLEASE)
My neighbour works for Boeing and tells me all airplane manufacturers wings are tested to failure to establish a comparison ratio. The 787 Dreamliner of carbon fibre registered the strongest results ever recorded before failure, according to him.
I wonder if the airlines consult with any F1 teams to compare or get tips on carbon fibre used in construction ? F1 has used it for years and must have a lot of data compiled.

Please continue, but lay off the swearing and idiot calling.

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GAWD...that was painful to get through...

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Contrarian,

Hey, it's the off season and the boards aren't exactly hopping. After a PM chat with noshumi4me, I understand he's a Captain and flies for a living. So our in house expert will have to continue to do some homework to present his case.

Just looking forward to Australia.

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Yes, the news is slow and opinions fly...often without strong basis in facts, which can see things take off quickly and head south.

Agreed on Melbourne. Can't wait!

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The 787 Dreamliner of carbon fibre registered the strongest results ever recorded before failure, according to him.

He is intentionally misleading you.

The carbon fibre wing itself is very strong, yes. In fact, it's much stronger than the old aluminium alloys used in the older aircraft, and it's lighter to boot.

But that was never and is not the point. It's where the wings joined the aircraft that CONSTANTLY failed over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Did you bother to read the article at all? Let me re-educate:

An engineer familiar with the details said the damage happened when the stress on the wings was well below the load the wings must bear to be federally certified to carry passengers.

See that? The WELL BELOW part? Tell your friend that works for Boeing to either get his facts straight or just stop lying through his teeth.

The wing STRUCTURE had over a dozen failures over a 5 year period. It was in the news almost every 5 to 7 months. All anybody has to do is Google it and there is page after page after page from year after year after year of all the failures, setbacks, budget increases, cancelled orders, technical difficulties and much, much more.

For crying out loud they just discovered ANOTHER problem THIS FREAKING WEEK!

Sorry, but anybody defending Boeing over that plagued aircraft has a screw loose AND a few bats in the attic.

And for the record, I TRIED to be nice. It doesn't work. The only thing that idiot and others like him understand is insults. At least then you get their damned attention.



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Parminio,

Think I've had enough of this ranting and nonsense, support your statments and maybe people would believe you. Wish you luck in your future rants.

Well that was fun, anybody want to talk about F1?



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Yeah.

Should F1 use more aerospace technology?


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That is a bit different. Boeing doesn't do well either, but they're not a carrier, they're a manufacturer. Aircraft is not all they do either, they do many different things. What's the name of that new one of theirs, the Dreamliner? More like the plague from hell? What a fiasco that has turned out to be.
The simple thing is I was talking about VJ and ONLY VJ. This has nothing to do with Boeing. We could rip them a new one as well, but the two are not even in the same ball park. Hell, it's not even the same SPORT for crying out loud.

VJ wanted to go racing. He had a start-up airline that was all "Bling" and no substance. Suddenly, he, as majority shareholder, takes it upon himself to give himself 20 million dollars of OTHER peoples money so he can go race F1 and have more "Bling".

He did this KNOWING FULL WELL that his airline was BLEEDING money hand over fist. KNOWING FULL WELL the airline was going further and further into debt and borrowing more and more good money to hurl after bad.

And where did roughly 30% of that money go? To his F1 team at his soul discretion.

Meanwhile, the airline employees are not being paid, most of the fleet is grounded, half the pilots are gone (over half now I think) and here comes the REALLY scary part: MOST OF THE DAMN GROUND CREWS ARE GONE!

Yea. I'll fly them.

NOT!

And who does he blame for it all? The government...because they don't want foreign companies owning Indian airlines. You see, VJ's answer is if outside people would just KEEP GIVING HIM MONEY, then suddenly EVERYTHING would be OK!

Now, sorry, but if that isn't fraud, then the word needs to be purged from the English language.

Parm, you talk @#$%& ... your government bailed out it's auto industry. Though to keep things on the up and up Boeing deserved the government hand out?



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Well that's kind of that. I hope those posting will continue to comment when the notion strikes.
My knowledge on aircraft technology really doesn't permit me to render much, but my neighbour seems to be rather proud of the new Boeing and is more than happy with up-coming sales that will bolster Boeing's future.
Yes, I think we are more than ready for the season opener.
I hope the carbon fibre wing on the new W03 meets all that is demanded of it and we secure some decent results down-under.
Thanks for the off season banter.

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Think I've had enough of this ranting and nonsense, support your statments and maybe people would believe you. Wish you luck in your future rants.

Ummm..say what?

I backed up EVERYTHING. YOU talked out of your ass and provided NOTHING.

Not only that, YOU broke out the insults, not me. YOU started ranting like the moron you can't help but being.

Parm, you talk @#$%& ... your government bailed out it's auto industry. Though to keep things on the up and up Boeing deserved the government hand out?

And you...wow...just wow. You really are hopelessly xxxxxx beyond belief.

I AGREED with you that Boeing just screams out to be ridiculed. In fact, you xxxxx, I'VE DONE EXACTLY THAT.

Jesus...you xxxxxx aren't worth the time of day.

Goodbye and good riddance.



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Parm,

Am I mixed up ? Were you attacking phatjack or noshumi4me for
the statement (Parm you talk @#$%&... your government bailed..) It was made by phatjack, not the latter.

Anyway, it sounds like the aviation issue has landed.

Everyone hang in there !

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Interesting!! I dont mind the heating up issues. Great conversation.

Now coz we are OT. We all know the prentice series. Didnt Trump do the loan and let others pay trick in the past?

And didnt GWB bailout all the finance banks? After 08 chaos and now we all are cursed, kjäh kjäh...

What about oil industry? Why the inventor of Diesel machine suddenly vanished, was it coz of the engine ran with peanutoil?

Should we start a new thread to discuss all?

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