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Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
By Ian Lockwood
January 8 2009
Max Mosely has written to to the Formula One Teams Association ahead of a meeting they are holding at a Heathrow Hotel. The FIA president urges further cost cutting & race enhancing measures including a 17,000 rpm limit, standardised KERS (& a ban on battery storage KERS), standardised chassis parts, standardised gearboxes, budget caps, more moveable aero devices, and "marbleless" tyres

The full transcipt of the letter is below:- 

Dear Luca

COST CUTTING

Following Charlie's email of 3 January, I feel it may be useful to set out the current position as we see it.

A few general points

First, even before the current crisis, Formula One was not viable. Costs have been so high that we have had vacancies in the Championship for some time. Secondly, it is impossible to cut costs substantially without significant change. Inevitably, cherished projects, facilities and sadly even people have to go. Thirdly, the fact of having recently invested in an expensive facility is not an argument for retaining it. That money has been spent. It's gone. What we have to avoid is forcing others to spend the same money in order to keep up. Fourthly, there is no rational argument to support the continued use in Formula One of expensive technologies which have no relevance outside the sport and are unknown (and thus of no interest) to the general public.

SPECIFICS

2009

The changes to the 2009 Regulations agreed at the December 10 meeting will help a lot. We need detailed proposals on some aspects, particularly the 8 hour/5 day restriction on wind tunnel use (which we understand was agreed among the teams) if we are to enforce this as a regulation, but much is already in place.

We are ready to agree further cost-saving measures for 2009 if these have the agreement of all the teams.

2010

The really big changes come in 2010.

Engine

- The rev limit will be reduced to 17,000 for 2010 and thereafter;
- retuning will be limited to, at most, trumpets and injectors (position only), except that Cosworth, having missed out on the last retune, will be allowed to make general changes within a limited budget;
- engines remain completely frozen until 2013, as already agreed;
- testing will be limited to 15,000km per year, Friday testing included.

On this basis, Cosworth will be able to supply competitive engines from 2010 for well under €5m per season per team, including all on-track support, provided they have firm orders to supply at least three teams within the next week or two;

The present regulations will remain in force, so there will be no interference with any existing arrangement for the supply of engines. Furthermore, the reduction to 17,000 rpm will allow additional cost savings for current engine suppliers.

Transmission

We intend to make it a condition of entry to the 2010 Championship that a team has made an arrangement with XR for the supply of the standard gearbox in accordance with XR's tender. We appreciate that some teams would like to continue with their current arrangements and/or use standard internals, but the fully standard gearbox is an obvious way to save very significant sums without affecting any useful aspect of Formula One. In order to eliminate the difficulties of the interaction of the casing with the underbody, we will also require a standard underbody. Again, this will have no impact on the spectacle but will save even more money and eliminate certain scrutineering problems.

Chassis

We will shortly produce a list of chassis parts and systems which, from 2010 onwards, will be the only elements of the chassis which can be developed. All remaining chassis elements will be either standard or frozen. We wish to develop this list in consultation with FOTA but it must be understood that it will involve a radical curtailment of R&D in respect of the chassis and hence a very significant reduction in costs. If carefully thought through, it should also reduce the need for the use of wind tunnels, CFD and simulators.

Race Weekend

We should like FOTA to make proposals to reduce further the costs of the race weekend, always on the basis that priority should be given to cost savings in areas which are invisible to the public and have no safety implications.

KERS

No team is obliged to fit KERS. It is also open to the teams to agree on a standard system or, indeed, to agree not to fit it at all. We are increasingly of the view that the use of chemical storage (in particular batteries) should be prohibited in Formula One owing to the unsuitability of the batteries currently available. There are at least two mechanical or electro-mechanical systems under development for Formula One and there may be others as well as hydraulic systems. Formula One would benefit from systems with more capacity than the present 400KJ, 60KW, (for example maxima of: 2MJ stored, 150KW in, 100KW out) but still very small and very light, as is essential in Formula One. These figures are theoretically possible with mechanical devices, but not feasible in the foreseeable future using batteries and/or capacitors. Such non-chemical devices, if successfully developed, would have a very significant impact on road transport and other applications.

This is a subject we should like to explore in depth with FOTA. In particular we should like to examine how Formula One's outstanding engineering capacity could be used to develop KERS without incurring significant costs for the teams.

Tyres

Apparently a lot of money is currently being spent on achieving a weight distribution which gets the best possible performance from current tyre widths. We should like to discuss with FOTA a possible change in the front-to-rear width ratio with a view to eliminating this problem. At the same time we should like to examine with Bridgestone and FOTA the possibility of introducing compounds which will not produce "marbles".

Budget Capping

We understand that this is once again being discussed within FOTA. The idea that each team should have the same amount of money, so that success is simply a function of intellectual ability, has great appeal. If properly enforced, it would be a very fair system. Indeed one view is that having much more money than a rival team is just as unfair as having a bigger engine. We should like to discuss this further with FOTA. It may be that in present circumstances, a voluntary cap would work because no manufacturer whose board has signed off the agreed amount would be likely to allow secret additional expenditure, while independent teams would probably not have access to the necessary cash.

The "Show"

The main complaint from race fans is the lack of overtaking and wheel-to-wheel racing. Changes to the aerodynamics rules have been proposed by a group of top experts from the teams and will take effect in 2009. It remains to be seen whether these plus an extra 80 bhp from KERS will help overtaking. There are also proposals for changes to the sporting regulations such as wholly or partially reversed grids, allocating leading grid places by lot, giving the World Championship to the driver with most wins and so on. Arguably, however, none of these deals with the problem that once the faster car gets past, it tends to drive away. So none of these proposals is conducive to close, wheel-to-wheel racing.

We intend to seek FOTA's help to investigate the use of moveable aerodynamic devices. If sufficiently radical, these could give a car following another car a performance advantage by virtue of being behind. In a primitive way, this was the case in the 1960s, when a car would get a "tow" and lose lift and thus be faster in the wake of another car. The result was wheel-to-wheel racing at the so-called slip-streaming circuits, for example pre-chicane Monza. Using modern technology, moveable aero devices could be used to give a car more downforce and less drag whenever it was in turbulent air. This would produce wheel-to-wheel racing on all types of circuit. It would, however, require significant (possibly automatic) moveable aero devices.

The Future

As already mentioned, the financial barriers to entry were already too high before the current world financial crisis. We had a Championship dependent on the willingness of world's car industry to continue spending vast sums on Formula One racing and the few remaining independent teams (with one exception) entirely reliant on the generosity of their billionaire owners. In current circumstances, it would be crazy to assume this can continue. Costs must be reduced to a point where a well-run independent team can operate profitably with just the FOM money and very moderate sponsorship. This is the only way to safeguard the Championship and allow new teams to enter to fill the gaps as well as replace those leaving.

The FIA itself would not be financially disadvantaged by a collapse of Formula One, but it would suffer in other ways. And, in any event, we believe we have a duty to do whatever is necessary to preserve the Championship for the competitors, the commercial rights holder and motor sport generally. We are therefore prepared to act radically. We hope that, notwithstanding the changes which must now be made, all teams which are still in business in 2010 will enter. But as already stated, we will be ready to recognise an independent series should some teams prefer to go their own way.

We hope for FOTA's support in the actions we take and for your unstinted help in reaching the decisions which have yet to be made.

With best wishes

Yours sincerely

Max Mosley

cc: All Formula One Team Principals

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Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: Racing Bulls (IP Logged)
Date: 08/01/2009 10:01

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Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: Jock 2009 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/01/2009 10:28

OMG, I am speechless. Now we'll be able to use the Daytona 500 as the Nth American F1 round because they'll all be racing STOCK Cars!

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Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: Duffer (IP Logged)
Date: 08/01/2009 11:32

If they reverse the grid partially or wholly in an F1 race I will no longer watch! This is a childish gimmick.

Also, to give a trailing car a speed advantage like some car arcades do, well, need I say more?

Full of hope only the very few sensible suggestions like marbleless tyres and budget caps get through.

Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: growler (IP Logged)
Date: 08/01/2009 12:06

I think Max is actually saying that reverse grids, grids drawn by lots, and even Bernie's proposed medals won't help. He is proposing the moveable aero instead.

I take your point about giving a trailing car a speed advantage as being "arcadey" Duffer. The problem at the moment though is that a trailing car is actually at a disadvantage - to the point that even if it is faster at a given point in a race, it still can't get past due to turbulence. This clearly isn't going to make for good racing.The art of getting a tow from a car and ducking out of its slipstream at just the right moment has virtually disappeared in all places except the longest of straights.

It would be good to have this back to allow this sort of racing again....

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As you say, there is some sensible stuff in there. Getting rid of marbles would effectively increase the width of the racing line at many places on a circuit.

I still think budget capping is unworkable. Even if teams could agree to a set spend each year, a manufacturer team could have an advantage over an independant by "buying in" resources (such as manufacturing, computer time, software, manpower etc) from their parent company for nothing or at well below market rates.

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Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: SydneyF1Fan (IP Logged)
Date: 08/01/2009 12:14

Dear Max,

I love it when you crack your whip!

Having finally picked ourselves off the floor at your latest proposal, the Ferrari board and FOTA have concluded that you are a hopeless joke and have finally decided to pack it in.

How about you and Bernie field a grid of March 711's next year to bring back that nostalgic feeling? Some pictures her to remind you how good it was:

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We have a few spare KERS batteries for sale on eBay at $10 million a pop. Thanks for letting us know about your solution preference after blowing all that dosh!

Good luck finding any takers.

Love and kisses,

Luca-babe.

Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: IndyAndy (IP Logged)
Date: 08/01/2009 13:35

Two immediate thoughts:

1) As long as you have any chassis parts that are exclusive to each squad, they will need at least some wind tunnel/CFD/simulator capability, so I'm not sure that this is all that much of a cost-cutting measure.

2) Marble-less tires? I'm guessing that one will cost Bridgestone a very pretty penny to develop, unless you are okay with tires so hard and traction-less that, once again, you have no passing! This one will actually increase costs - probably substantially.

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Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: RuralVic (IP Logged)
Date: 08/01/2009 14:55

What gets me about all of this is that it's Max telling the teams how to spend money. There seems to be naff all about Max and/or Bernie learning to moderate their spending. There's a helluva lot of money goes into FI from the fans. It costs an arm and a leg to go to a race. And there's a helluva lot of money wasted. How many billions of pounds have been spent on new circuits with the result that perfectly adequate existing circuits get dumped. It will be a complete waste to build a new circuit at Donnington (and it will need to be a new circuit to stage an F1 race) when Silverstone is OK.
My proposals for radical cost cutting is to cut Max and Bernie!(Sm89)

Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: Duffer (IP Logged)
Date: 09/01/2009 10:46

I doubt marble-less tyres would cost too much actually. With just one tyre supplier, they would be chasing that extra 0.2sec per lap. Grip level would not matter too much as all cars would have the same base grip.

Not too sure how that would hamper overtaking??? Please give silly old duffer an explanation...

Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: ...trollie (IP Logged)
Date: 09/01/2009 11:04

Ultimately F1 is about pure speed and precision. Fasted man to get to the checkered flag wins.

Inorder to have great "racing",..you need stratergy. Until F1 brings in elements which don't rely on the fastest car winning,..then they will achieve what they are trying to achieve.

MotoGP is an obvious example of this,..more times than not its a game of cat and mouse than a shoot out.

KERS offers some of this stratergy with the extra HP burst per lap,...but knowing F1,..a computer will be simulate that the optimal time to use the extra HP is exiting the last corner onto the straight,..and every car will do it!,..which makes it all null and void!

Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: K1 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2009 07:28

not necessarily so. car A uses kers exiting the last corner onto the straight. car B does not use kers. car A gains for example 5 metres and increases velocity on the straight and therefore carries higher terminal speed approaching the end of straight where higher terminal speed requires earlier braking. car B uses kers to carry passing manoeuvre at straight exit as is seen on many occasions. this plus the fact that car B can also theoretically tailgate more successfully due to the front wing manoeuvreable element.
i would suspect under this scenario that the the distance gained on carB as a result of the Kers energy boost in the first place would dictate whether this would be the case. just a few ideas, probably debatable.

Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: Jock 2009 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2009 09:46

As much as I hate to admit it I agree with trollie. They will work out the exact point in the track at which the Kers will give the maximum benefit and everybody will use it there.

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Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: Duffer (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2009 11:37

I dont think so. It will most likely be as you say but with a couple of but if's. For example, in slower traffic the KERS point will be different. Also if being followed or following it might change.

Will be fun to watch. I just hope they use the tail lights to indicate to viewers when KERS is bing activated!

Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: Jock 2009 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2009 12:34

That's a really good point. I hadn't thought if the KERS would be signaled in some way. I think A1GP used a boost button but I don't know if they ever had a way of identifying that it was active.

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Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: Duffer (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2009 13:16

Maybe they could just have huge afterburner flame graphics that showed up on your TV! Whould be a huge laugh.

Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: IndyAndy (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2009 14:08

@ Duffer:

Admitedly, I'm no tire engineer, but here is my line of thinking...

Current tires heat up & become fairly "sticky": hence the cars get a certian degree of cornering grip - & marbles are made by the friction (but you knew this already (Sm14)). Any current tire that is 'hard" enough to resist marbleing would also offer alot less cornering grip. As most passes occur heading into a corner or are set up by the actions of a driver comming out of one - less passing.

@Jock 2009

CCWS had a boost system (push to pass) & the TV annoucers always knew exactly how much each car had left. Not sure how it was monitored, but obviously there is a way.

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Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: Duffer (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2009 14:43

But both cars have less grip, making the relative performance of each car in the cornering exactly the same as before. The only thing that changes is the speed at which the cars are travelling in the corner.

Also, you don't need heat to create marbles. You get marbles when you use an eraser on paper. Thats the things you brush off with your fingers.

I know it is above my head, but I am sure they can come up with it. I am sure you are right on one score though, there will very likely be less grip.

Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: LoudHoward (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2009 00:49

F1 must've sucked before Dijon '79.

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Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: Jock 2009 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2009 04:02

I know the Villeneuve v Arnoux battle is so over quoted it has become a cliche. BUT (there's always a but) what made that sort of racing possible ? Answer that question and make whatever rule changes you want to make it possible again. Problem solved Max.

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Re: Max Proposes More Radical Cost Cutting
Posted by: Duffer (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2009 10:49

Is that when they invented mustard?

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