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Good to see, but looks a long way off their target 2 seconds to me.

Hard to see how they could do it much faster, mind you.

What was happening with some of those stops? At first they were looking pretty fast but then it seemed they were really slow putting the car down of the jacks?

Why so slow putting the car down after the wheels were already on?

Just watched again and also sometimes the car is down but it seems to take a long time to actually drive away?

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Whats with the car horns in the background.

Perhaps there the lastest newey secret "aero device" "incoming RB6 alert"

Good to see some current f1 not getting pulled from youtube anyway

looks like around 5 seconds atm. Is that good enough??

looks like around 5 seconds atm. Is that good enough??

webbull read my post and then watch the video again, the tyre changes are faster than 5 seconds, the reason the pit stop is 5 seconds is because the car is slow driving away, something is wrong there, it will not be like this in the races, it will be faster, the tyre changes are fine and fast it is just Vettel taking too long to drive off that is making it 5 seconds.

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looks like around 5 seconds atm. Is that good enough??
webbull read my post and then watch the video again, the tyre changes are faster than 5 seconds, the reason the pit stop is 5 seconds is because the car is slow driving away, something is wrong there, it will not be like this in the races, it will be faster, the tyre changes are fine and fast it is just Vettel taking too long to drive off that is making it 5 seconds.

You sure? Focus on the loli-pop, from the time it drops to the car taking off is less than 2/10ths of a seconds.

On the plus side open fuel flaps is something that won't plague us this year.



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You sure? Focus on the loli-pop, from the time it drops to the car taking off is less than 2/10ths of a seconds.

Yes i am 100% sure, maybe it is not because Vettel is too slow driving away maybe it is the loli-pop man being too slow with the loli-pop, for whatever reason the pit stop is to slow after the tyres have already been put on the car.

Watch again Czcibor and you will see the tyes are on the car in quick time but they lose it after that and it takes too long for the car to go!

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On the plus side open fuel flaps is something that won't plague us this year.

I did not think they plagued us last year???

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You sure? Focus on the loli-pop, from the time it drops to the car taking off is less than 2/10ths of a seconds.
Yes i am 100% sure, maybe it is not because Vettel is too slow driving away maybe it is the loli-pop man being too slow with the loli-pop, for whatever reason the pit stop is to slow after the tyres have already been put on the car.

Watch again Czcibor and you will see the tyes are on the car in quick time but they lose it after that and it takes too long for the car to go!

Give me a time reference in the video because I think you are over exaggerating

Give me a time reference in the video because I think you are over exaggerating

Czcibor look at the video at 1:47 to 1:50 they change the tyres in 3 seconds after that the car should be down and gone, but watch between 1:50 and 1:54 it is a solid 4 seconds before the car goes, no exaggeration it is right there in video evidence!

The stop should be 4 seconds but instead it is 7 seconds!

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The front left wasn't on properly Whitey, the lollipop man reacts the 4 hands being raised over the tyres, not them being put on. 4-5 second stops look like being the order of the day.


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They actually have to fasten the wheels to the chassis Whitey, then signal they are done, then let the jacks down, then lift the lollipop.

I agree it is tardy looking, but It is not just about putting the wheels on.

The front left wasn't on properly Whitey, the lollipop man reacts the 4 hands being raised over the tyres, not them being put on. 4-5 second stops look like being the order of the day.

Loud look at the next one at around 2:16,...the left front was on properly in that stop but once again same thing happens 3 seconds to fasten the wheels on the car but a solid 4 seconds before the car drives off, there is a hold up costing them time after the wheels are fasten to the car

They actually have to fasten the wheels to the chassis Whitey, then signal they are done

Look again Duffer and you will see they do fasten the wheels to the chassis and signal they are done but it is at this point where i am questioning the speed of the stop ,why don't they drop him and go?...look at the stop around 2:16...but anyway i know you see it and agree because you said it is tardy looking.

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Theres a lapse with the left rear on that example, which delays the rear jackman, which is why he doesn't get released. It's not Hungary '07.


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I know it is only practice but that's what i am getting at, why is there these lapses making these stops slow, will they have these lapses in the races?

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Probably.


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Sorry whitey, but the fastest stop looks just shy of 5 secs to me.

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Give me a time reference in the video because I think you are over exaggerating
Czcibor look at the video at 1:47 to 1:50 they change the tyres in 3 seconds after that the car should be down and gone, but watch between 1:50 and 1:54 it is a solid 4 seconds before the car goes, no exaggeration it is right there in video evidence!

The stop should be 4 seconds but instead it is 7 seconds!

I see your point, look at 2:30 car comes to a complete stop to 2:35 about and tell me how long it takes after the loli-pop drops for the car to be on it's way again

Could it be they worked out the kinks?

Yeah Czcibor its all good, it is only practice and maybe at the end of the video they may have worked out the kinks, but in a race situation the 2 or 3 seconds lost in some of them pit stops in that video could cost you a race win.

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I hope Horner is right, but i don't see any two second pit stops in the video, but maybe on race day Red Bull will be doing two second pit stops,...maybe?

Red Bull eyes below two second pitstops in 2010

----Webber versus Alonso----

I would say only the early practice was shown in the video. When they were getting things right they probably were not released....

Pretty amazing to get sub 2s.

My recollection from pre-refuelling days was that 4-5 seconds was a crack pit stop. I wonder what's changed that allows them to slash that time off?

They must have some schmick technology to unbolt/rebolt the wheel nuts without threading them.

The old socket set used to get a fair work out Jock. 50 ratchets each nut, 5 nuts... 5 seconds was pretty darn good!

From what I've seen here, the biggest loss of time comes from the rear jackman gettin into position behind the car and getting it up. The guys on the rear with the guns already have the nut off BEFORE the car is raised...

But that is just part of it. When Horner said they guys were down to 2 seconds, that might be all well and good for a static tyre change, but you can't remove a wheel until the car is in the air...

You also can't get the car in the air from the rear until you run behind it and get the jack under it, which is going to take at least 1 second...unless he is prepared to get run over every stop! Fronts don't have that problem...

I agree GB2009 - as you say, the front jackman is already in position, wheeras the rear guy has to run in.

There is also much more free space around the front wheel to get the old wheel off on position the new one - whilt at the rear you are hampered by the side pods & rear wing endplates.

In terms of speed, wheel guns now operate at higher speeds than they used too, wheel nuts themselves have advanced in design and now use magnets in some shape or form.

A small but important rule change for 2010 is that previously the wheel nut had to be secured, then a retaining device engaged (to keep the wheel on in event of a nut failure) as a separate action. This was done by the wheel nut being fitted with the gun and then a pin being pulled out manually by hand.

In 2010 the requirement for this to be a separate action has been removed, so the wheel guns have been adapted to perform this action as part of the process.

Focus will also be on Jack technology. Rules forbid any king of hydraulic platform being fitted directly to the car of being placed in the pit to raise the car, but Renault are reported to have designed a "quick release jack" to spped things up a bit.

Jacks flying off down the pit-lane as they were still attached to the rear of a departing car used to feature in F1 - hope we don't see too much of that this year.

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I hope we do see it. I like nothing more than to see random things like fuel rigs, jacks and people flapping off F1 cars as they race back to join the track!

Funny stuff!

.....not quite so entertaining if you are actually in the pit lane and a heavy bit of metal is flying straight towards your head!

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.....not quite so entertaining if you are actually in the pit lane and a heavy bit of metal is flying straight towards your head!

Absolutely not!

I got hit by a stray wheel nut in Adelaide in 06...BIG bruise!

Fortunately, it was only on my leg, not my head!