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Hamilton Loses Win After Spa Farce
By Sam Cooper
September 7 2008
What seemed to be a very exciting race, has now been taken away from us, after Lewis Hamilton has been stripped of his great victory in the treacherous conditions at the Spa Francorchamps circuit in Belgium. Hamilton was deemed to have gained an advantage over Kimi Raikkonen (who later spun out of the race). Therefore the race victory has been handed to Ferrari's Felipe Massa.

Formula one is a funny sport, what seems to be fairly entertaining race, gets turned into just another of the same old, same old Ferrari victory, now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the team, they've been in the sport since it began and the team do a brilliant job, being the most successful team in the sport, but they way they do it, came under question today.

For many years now, Formula one has been trying to promote overtaking, after the sport got very dull in the Schumacher era, where it was almost impossible to overtake the car in front. Then when we get a race that was nothing short of thrilling, something takes away the excitement, and we have the same old red car winning the race- hardly entertaining.

The very same thing happened today, I try to be impartial to decisions- one of the reasons you don't see me putting my opinion on the front of this site, but today will be an exception, because the outcome was truly ridiculous.

The last four laps of the race were better than any other race I’d seen, watching the drivers struggling to go around corners, where every single second was make or break moment, because of the deluge that occurred less than three laps before the end of the race. It certainly got me on the edge of my seat, and I’d bet it got you on the edge of yours too.

Then, answer me this, what is the point of penalizing the winner of such a great race, yes what he did might have handed him the race, but I’ll get to that in a minute.

Lewis Hamilton was deemed to have gotten an unfair advantage over his championship rival Kimi Raikkonen, though lets assess the situation from where we ALL saw it from. Hamilton was faster than Raikkonen; he was closing down on him every lap, just biting his time to make the overtaking maneuver that would give him race victory.

He tried it, it was looking a reasonable effort from the 23 year old Britain, Kimi didn’t give him room, knowing that it would either end up in Hamilton crashing into him (which would have given Hamilton a penalty, if he’d of been able to keep going).

What did he have to lose, knowing that the chances of him winning the world championship were looking a bit miserable to say the least; he didn’t make it easy, knowing Hamilton would have no option to either stop (something that wouldn’t be possible), or to let Hamilton go down the escape road and give him the place back, which Hamilton did.

Kimi was ahead at the start of the next lap, at which point, Ron Dennis radioed in to Charlie Whiting (race control) to see if that was acceptable form of relinquishing the advantage that Hamilton was deemed to have gotten, Charlie replied back that it was a completely acceptable way to have given that advantage back.

Hamilton though, after having the faster car in terms of raw pace on a wetter track, was able to gain traction on Kimi down the main straight and launch a successful overtaking maneuver into the first turn. Kimi then hit Lewis’s rear after failing to stop the car.

For that, the stewards decided it would be a great idea to have Hamilton given a 25 second penalty… for overtaking- now is it me or is that contradicting what they’re trying to do, to make more overtaking.Lets say that Hamilton didn’t overtake Kimi, the rain would have still have come, and Kimi would still have crashed (as he was on the wrong tires, struggling for grip and was pushing hard to escape from Hamilton).

Therefore Hamilton would have still won, no matter what the outcome. The penalty was very harsh on McLaren indeed, I wouldn’t be surprised if they launched an appeal into the penalty, though doesn’t it strike you as suspicious that McLaren have every harsh penalty thrown at them, when Ferrari get nothing, when they do wrong?

Take Massa’s incident in Valencia, the rules state that you’re not allowed to release a car into the path of another car, which Ferrari did, no two questions about it. So why no penalty? It would only be fair to give Massa a penalty for that little incident, as it was unsafe, launching a 600kg object into the path of another 600kg object.

Just tell me why that doesn’t deserve a penalty, when Hamilton does, after all, Felipe didn’t have to put his foot to the floor, he should have seen Sutil in his rear mirrors and backed off.

Back onto the subject of cutting chicanes, in the future, it might be best to put solid concrete walls where the run off area is, as this would deffinatly ensure that no car can get across the run off, and not gain an advantage, the driver would probably take a few cars out, but no one would gain an advantage- though it’d be unsafe, exactly what the run offs were there to ensure, that if you make a failed overtaking maneuver, you can get away, without ripping a few cars into hundreds of pieces.

Or should the rule be changed, if you cut the chicane, you should have to wait on the circuit for at least 3 seconds, that way, you’ll not gain an advantage over the other car, sure you’d be a liability, travelling at a low speed on the circuit, you could get hit by another car, which could leave people injured- exactly what the sport doesn’t need.

The best method by far would be to just run over the runoff, as that’s what it’s there for, many drivers have used it in the past, and let the other driver through, and slotted behind them accordingly. Would it have made such a big difference, if Hamilton would have overtaken Kimi coming out of the first corner?

He’d arguably still have an advantage, as he was able to gain time on Kimi to overtake him. Where is the fun in F1 anymore, if race results are just overturned at a simple protest, and more to the point why wasn’t the investigation launched in the closing laps of the race, surely, the Stewards would have seen that, and penalised Hamilton during the race, why wasn’t there a notice of an investigation, before the race was finished, surely this means the protesting party had an influence in the situation?

 Like they’ve managed to do so many times in the past. Funnily enough this ties into with a new cost cutting idea, how about Ferrari are just given the win, and then they don’t have to compete, saves the sport around $400 Million, oh and since there’d be no point racing for wins and even championships, it’d save the sport billions- after all no-one would want to compete.

It wouldn’t be worth watching wouldn’t it? Tell me how that isn’t any different from today's race.


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7 Sep, 2008 18:24 Report
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As a lifelong sportman/ i have never heard /witnessed such a riduculas decision. Hamilton played fair and won fair.
F1 just won back its audiance and then threw it away again.
Moseley should stick to his sex activities, not bring further disgrace on the sport of dreams.



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7 Sep, 2008 18:29 Report
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Well what a race Lewis is the man but unfortunitly he has the FIA and the red team against him . Ij sames the red team can just do what they want and if it is a silver car well it sucks(Sm100)



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7 Sep, 2008 18:32 Report
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Proof if it was needed that moseley and the fia are racist and in the pocket of ferrari.

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7 Sep, 2008 19:00 Report
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F. A. I.= Ferrari International Aid- and it sucks!!
Daylight robbery!!!

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7 Sep, 2008 19:02 Report
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Why wasn’t there a notice of an investigation, before the race was finished, surely this means the protesting party had an influence in the situation?

If you are implying Ferrari is the protesting party, it has been clarified that Ferrari DID NOT launch a protest. They were summoned by the stewards after the race in lieu of the investigation. So there was no protesting party.

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7 Sep, 2008 19:03 Report
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i guess there are idiots on every forum....sorry tifosa...

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7 Sep, 2008 19:10 Report
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Amongst enough chaos produce by Ferrari&FIA, can we find the order? I doubt. This is the end.

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7 Sep, 2008 19:14 Report
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I am stunned. I watched a truly brilliant race on TV this afternoon and cannot believe the decision of the stewards. I read somewhere on Sportnetwork that if you read Ferrari then you also read FIA. I'm sorry, but this evening I can't help but that that this is true.

What was Lewis to do - let Kimi get 5 seconds ahead again and then go after him? Such a shame that great moments like the last two laps will be decided ultimately in a courtroom.

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7 Sep, 2008 19:17 Report
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I would have expected a grid penalty at Monza (+5 positions or something) but not this.

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I wasn't expecting any penalty, but a 5 place grid penalty would have been better than this controversial travesty. Appeal has been filed, hopefully something positive comes out of it.

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7 Sep, 2008 19:42 Report
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The sport of F1 is dead, In any other sport be ping pong or strong man the men in charge are accountable not so any longer in f1 who has most money wins or can bend the rules to suit, I will no longer waste hours of my life watching this once special sport to have the fun joy and excitement taken away by the men upstairs and not the men on the track, If you a fan of f1 which ever team you like todays result show how dishonest the sport has become, Race colour or creed,Money,Image have all got more in winning than winning scrap F1 its a joke or to save it get rid of Ferrari let them make there own formula at least that way you would know the rules are all in there favor from the out set.

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7 Sep, 2008 19:43 Report
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even though i'm a ferrari fan

i hoped that we would have a fair championship

(preferbly with a ferrari win ofcourse winking smiley

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7 Sep, 2008 19:46 Report
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Hamilton initially gained an advantage by cutting the corner, however the fact he slotted behind Kimi indicates that he gave his initial advantage back and since he was at a slower speed to that of Kimi; Kimi was given the opportunity to advance back into first.

There are no rules that stipulate that following the reengagement of position, must the demoted driver not launch an offensive maneouver on the car in front. If the FIA deems that Hamilton did not give the advantage back to Kimi then a simple television replay will indicate that this in fact did happen.

Considering that RC indicated that the maneouver was fine, FIA's empathy towards Ferrari in lieu of this position in the sport as a whole and the spygate scandle eminating out of last year's messy championship means that the decision would always be found in their favour.

I am appalled to even consider that the FIA are racist or discriminatory towards a competitor or manufacturer because of history or race. However I hasten to add that an appeal cannot be posted in this situation due to there being no FIA ruling consituting grounds for an appeal in this instance. And therefore all Mcclaren can do is propose an appeal, but not instigate one.

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I will be extremely pleased if Lewis wins the championship despite the FIA's blatant favouritism. And I'll be bloomin' annoyed if Massa or Raikkonen win.

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7 Sep, 2008 20:18 Report
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FIA = Ferrari.

Period.

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7 Sep, 2008 20:24 Report
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I was shocked to hear about the penalty.

I do not consider that Lewis did anything wrong. He shorted the corner to avoid contact with Kimi and gave the place back. Nico also cut the chicane when Jarno spun early in the race and yet the stewards took no action. I am not saying that Nico should be punished, rather that Lewis should not have been punished IMO.

A sad day for F1.

Williams and proud of it.

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If you are implying Ferrari is the protesting party, it has been clarified that Ferrari DID NOT launch a protest. They were summoned by the stewards after the race in lieu of the investigation. So there was no protesting party.

Read into it what you like, although I want to point out I used the information I had at the time of writing to write this article.

Notice I said article, that implys that it was an opinion based bit of text, not a report



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Surely you can edit your write-up?

The bottom line is: no team launched a protest,it would be wise to correct the statement.

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Clearly you didn't realise that this was an opinion article.

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Clearly you don't realize you are in fact sticking to your opinion based on an untrue event..an event that never happened.

Suit yourself, but people won't take your opinion seriously if it is not based on facts.

EDIT: And yes I'm very well aware that this is an op-ed. If I was picking on your opinions, trust me there is a lot in the article I could gripe about.

I'm simply saying what you've said here is not true and is misleading. Whether it is your opinion does not really count in this matter, when this an article heading your site.

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7 Sep, 2008 21:36 Report
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Sam,
knowing something is wrong and leaving it up as fact isn't good. I know it WAS your opinion but now surely that opinion has changed with knowledge of the FACTS?
You should perhaps make a new post stating your fresh opinion or remove the incorrect one?

just my opinion... [:wor kid:]

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7 Sep, 2008 21:56 Report
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Like everyone else on this forum I am big fan of F1,I lost a lot of interest during the Schuey era, he was and still is one of the greatest drivers in the history of F1, nevertheless races were mostly boring and predictable during this time, since his retirement I have become a born again fan ,why? because the contest to be world champion has been blown wide open with the likes of Raikkonen, Alonso, Massa, Kubica and at long last a British driver to be proud of Hamilton (no disrespect to Button or Coulthard). I have always followed Mclaren as I grew up in Woking in the shadow of the factory but above all I enjoy nothing more than a good scrap on the track and Spa 08 produced one that will surely go down in history as one of the best. But guess what F1 has shot itself in the foot once again, when are those in charge of the sport going to wake up and see that even true fans are getting fed up with the semmingly biased way Ferrari get treated, I refer to Massa being released into the path of Sutil ,no penalty, Massa even tried to blame Sutil.Raikkonen running over his own pit crew again no penalty .
As far as the incicdent today at Spa ,from my viewpoint Kimi left Lewis no room to stay on the track leaving only one option, to cut the corner, on its own this would have gained Lewis the advantage and had he kept his foot in and not conceded the position to Kimi I would wholeheartedly agree with the penalty, But we all saw Lewis give the lead back to Kimi who then opted to go on the outside of the track leaving the door wide open for Lewis who then superbly outbreaked the Ferrari and went on to win. Even Brundle and Blundell both ex drivers believed he had won fairly . Come on FIA get your act together and be consistent!!!!!
One final point although I am not a Ferrari fan I did feel very sorry for Kimi who apart from the last 3 laps drove an excellent race , but then again apart from one mistake at the start so did Lewis. Despite this setback I believe Lewis will win the championship this season.

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Hold your horses mate, I think you should change the title of your thread... There was no bleeding protest by Ferrari!

I couldnt give a monkeys about whether its your opinion, though everyone is allowed to have their own. Your article is totally misleading and should be removed or edited.

Your the publisher of this site; publish the truth. This blatantly shows your anti ferrari nature.

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lols, i just can't help but wonder what would be the FIA's decision if it would have been the other way around? FIA has always been inconsistent when it comes to applying rules and fines depending on the teams involved.

if it was the other way around i guess the incident won't be investigated at all or about the same amount fined to Massa or more in Valencia (Sm22) good work again FIA i salute you.

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the precedent has been set... cant remember which race it was, but Alonso and Klien had a similar event where Alonso was penalised for the same thing.

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Please do not use the word "Ferrari Appeal". As a matter of fact, they didn't.

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Observe

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Well, I see that we'd rather stick with inflammatory untruths...
Well done.

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I have just done A search on that text and haven't found it. It seems that bit of text was removed.

On the title of this thread, theres nothing I can do (apart of manually editing all of your messages to the new title. Any new posts should keep the new title.

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8 Sep, 2008 08:50 Report
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Food for thought on spa results, had the stewards decision been in time lewis could have taken penalty by driving through pits on final lap, therefore taking the flag in the pitlane like a famous german racer driving a Ferrarri did some years ago whilst serving a penalty. Secondly the 25 secs penalty was time taken from entering to exiting pits, surely penalty time should be time in to crossing finish line seeing it was last lap, but that probably wouldn't put lewis behind fillipe would it ?. F.I.A. it now stands for Ferrarri In Action.

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The race was brilliant, i cant remember a better end to any race ive seen in the last 10 years or more of watching F1. It is a mad world when this sort of thing happens. With all the millions of of fans & such big money spent on such events, it comes down to a few mindless individuals to gain the highlight over a poor decision. The outcome of the race was not decided on controversy, but skill at keeping the car out of the wall. It should have stayed that way. But like many fans it gets frustrating that we want to watch the race but feel we should not as it will only frustrate us. Angry as we are, we have nothing we can do to make changes, money does.

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Food for thought on spa results, had the stewards decision been in time lewis could have taken penalty by driving through pits on final lap, therefore taking the flag in the pitlane like a famous german racer driving a Ferrarri did some years ago whilst serving a penalty. Secondly the 25 secs penalty was time taken from entering to exiting pits, surely penalty time should be time in to crossing finish line seeing it was last lap, but that probably wouldn't put lewis behind fillipe would it ?. F.I.A. it now stands for Ferrarri In Action.


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after that incident which you refer to the rule was changed to stop that happening again. the rule is now that if a peantly such as a drive through penalty or stop and go are given within 5 laps of the finish of the gp then a time penalty willm instead be issued and that time penalty is 25 seconds.

the punishments that tehyc an give are quite clearly defined except those involving money. however what is not clear now and hasnt been for some time is what those punishments can be applied to

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Yeah, they changed that after the MS silverstone incident.

He didnt serve that penalty as he crossed the line before his pitbox - they let him get away with it...........

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he followed the rules as they were at that point

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8 Sep, 2008 12:58 Report
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And it seems team boss of Ferrari has stated quite clearly his opinion that it was just racing. I doubt Ferrari would fight a McLaren appeal. What I really would like to hear is thoughts from Raikkonen and Massa.

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8 Sep, 2008 13:06 Report
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In the interest of cost saving, why don't the FIA announce who has won the championship at the start of each season rather than at the end. The teams could save a fortune !

Lets be honest they have the biggest say in who wins and are clearly determined not too let any racing interfere with that process.

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8 Sep, 2008 13:15 Report
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Nah, it would be more exciting if we had a knockout phone in like for Idol. We could watch the cars parade for 90 minutes and then sms a vote for our favourite.

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They dont need to announce it, we already know who it wont be ........

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It should just have been an easy +5 grid penalty for Monza and over and done with.

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Shouldn't have been a penalty at all.

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I guess the FIA had rather have had Hamiton run into Kimi. Kimi ran him intentionally off the track. Kimi could have EASILY left room for Lewis, and he didn't. Typical racing tactics.

I can't see where they say, "Lewis straightlined the chicane" when the fact is Kimi ran Lewis off the track. If Lewis didn't go where he went, they crash. Full stop.

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8 Sep, 2008 21:21 Report
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Well it looks like Ferrari and max are in bed again.
Proof is here.

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How come nothing happend then?
Oh yes silly me it was a Ferrari involed.

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Sign the petition for Lewis to gain win back!!!



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Good lord its up to over 17000 signatures. I signed it when it was still in the 300s, good to see so many people are voicing themselves about it.

Doubt it'll do much though sadly, dictatorships tend not to listen to the public.

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10 Sep, 2008 18:31 Report
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If F1 is going to cheat drivers out of their win, then
this is one family that will cease to watch and support the sport.Whats the point, playback on the tv footage shows
no reason for the decision......

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24 Sep, 2008 09:01 Report
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Was there any other expectation than what the appeal court decided ? Of course not. I remember a few years ago when mclaren won the brazilian GP - again in the rain - just to have it ' counted back ' - and the win was awarde to fisichella ! How many wins - or indeed places or points - have ferrari had taken away from them ? Not many i can assure you.
Schumi should have been banned for deliberate crashing into damon hill, then AGAIN jaques villneuve. But he was driving a RED car. If that had been mclaren - the heavens would have come down on them.

Lewis needs to get out of F1 - go to another formula or race in america - he will never get equal treatment because of his colour - and MAX MOSELEY - well - sieg heil ?

That old dinasaur should hang his head in shame - get out of the F1 paddock for good.

ANGRY MCLAREN FAN.

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24 Sep, 2008 12:11 Report
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Just take a look at Hamilton then consider the feuhrers politics - no way is hamilton going to get fair treatment..

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25 Sep, 2008 00:53 Report
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boy racer
Was there any other expectation than what the appeal court decided ? Of course not. I remember a few years ago when mclaren won the brazilian GP - again in the rain - just to have it ' counted back ' - and the win was awarde to fisichella ! How many wins - or indeed places or points - have ferrari had taken away from them ? Not many i can assure you.
Schumi should have been banned for deliberate crashing into damon hill, then AGAIN jaques villneuve. But he was driving a RED car. If that had been mclaren - the heavens would have come down on them.

Lewis needs to get out of F1 - go to another formula or race in america - he will never get equal treatment because of his colour - and MAX MOSELEY - well - sieg heil ?

That old dinasaur should hang his head in shame - get out of the F1 paddock for good.

ANGRY MCLAREN FAN.

so trhe majotiry of your quotes you moan about how the fia dont follow rules and favour ferrari

then at the start of this you decide to moan because the fia followed the rules about what happens in a red flag situation

yes lewis should get out of f1 maybe over the winter he can drive some other lower series without teh media and he can learn to respect his other races because that is the only thing he is lacking from making him probably the best driver on the grid is respect for his competitors

and shut up about racism unfounded and laughable that you would think it is

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25 Sep, 2008 02:45 Report
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FIA racist?...get a f&*&^&G grip!

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25 Sep, 2008 09:24 Report
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Im not gonna waste my time or yours tamotu - arguing with ya, just take a long hard look at this - and the other forums - about what fairness is - and you might find that those that agree that an injustice was done - (and not the 1st either) - even TRUE ferrari fans will concede that the rules do seem to be bent in favour of the maranello squad. Dont reply yet, have a good read of them first.

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25 Sep, 2008 11:03 Report
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ok where do i say that this penalty was fair

in fact in may posts (if you could be bothered to read them before bashing) i state how i dont think this penalty was fair and if it was a punishable offence i dont think that the punishment fits the crime

however you cant moan about the fia facvouring one team and not sticking to the rules and then moan about it when they do stick to the rules like in brazil 2003

and many other forums are actually more in agreement with this dercsion than the ferrari one

certain posters on the red bull and the williams one for example

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27 Sep, 2008 04:46 Report
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wow! what a shock McLaren loses the appeal***

The maFIA and Max Moseley are both nothing more than slanderous, vicious and vindictive bully boys set on settling old personal scores through open victimization and intimidation.

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crbassassin

The maFIA and Max Moseley are both nothing more than slanderous, vicious and vindictive bully boys set on settling old personal scores through open victimization and intimidation.
some may argue that your post is slanderous...

regards tt

ps. how does (silly) decision to punish both rubens and nick (for the same incident) tie in with the conspiracy theory?
do not confuse conspiracy with incompetence (world wide fenomenon)



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