Ferrari working on B-spec car
By Jay
March 17 2010
The rumours and speculations on the B-spec car Ferrari was working during the pre-season winter testing have resurfaced again.
March 17 2010
The rumours and speculations on the B-spec car Ferrari was working during the pre-season winter testing have resurfaced again.
Italy's weekly Autosprint magazine have revealed that CFD expert, Guiseppe Azzollini, was employed by the Maranello team late last year, following withdrawal of Toyota from the sport. The magazine suggests that Azzollini is working on a considerable development of F10's double diffuser, which could not be accommodated in the current layout of the chassis.
It is believed that his concept was supposed to have been featured in Toyota's car for the current season if they hadn't withdrawn from the sport. Further, another major change to the F10 would be better cooling.
It has to be noted here that both the drivers of Ferrari had a change of engine prior to the Bahrain race, which points to overheating problems the team might be facing. Massa has said in his post-race press conference that he ran a slower pace for 30 laps to save fuel.
However, it seems the reason was overheating. “The temperature of the engine is the result of the aerodynamics of the car, so we have to work on that in order to make sure that we don’t have any more of these kinds of issues for the next hot races,” said team boss Stefano Domenicali.
With the team starting on a winning note in the first GP, it remains to see how positive these new developments turn out to be for Ferrari.
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| 17 Mar, 2010 12:56 | Report |
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| 17 Mar, 2010 14:30 | Report |
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Now Luca di Montezemolo's Italian Engineering hires for the Ferrari Team are a success and have formed a "NEW" "Dream Team" @ Ferrari! Great to see Ferrari have fully and completely found Excellent Engineers in their homeland. So much for those casting doubt on the Ferrari Team being more or to "Italian" to be successful! Truth is many Italian Engineers have been employed by many teams and have been a big part of the success of many other teams but have never gotten credit for this. I have to laugh at all the nah sayers for the past few year since the "Dream Team" broke up, saying the only way Ferrari can be successful is to have all foriegn Engineers and very few Italian Engineers. They have always been bashing Italian Engineering. Stereotypes are hard change! The only way to changes them is to prove them wrong!
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Re: Ferrari working on B-spec car
i would say, in fact, Ferrari need this b-spec car soon, because the red bull pace on softer tyres is ominous, and if at all the mandatory 2nd pitstop rule is put forth, they would be unstoppable, and all the efforts of Ferrari being gentle on its tyres would be thrown out of window.
Bernie has indicated that he will wait till China, so Ferrari need this updates by Barcelona, where major developments are expected to be brought in by other teams too.
Bernie has indicated that he will wait till China, so Ferrari need this updates by Barcelona, where major developments are expected to be brought in by other teams too.
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@Frankalfa
People don't suggest that all Italian engineers are weak when they say 'the old ways of Ferrari', far from it. The worry is that the team employs people based on their nationality more than their relative skills. It was a big problem in the past and I hope that it doesn't go that way in future.
People don't suggest that all Italian engineers are weak when they say 'the old ways of Ferrari', far from it. The worry is that the team employs people based on their nationality more than their relative skills. It was a big problem in the past and I hope that it doesn't go that way in future.
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| 18 Mar, 2010 13:49 | Report |
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It is too early to call this a dream team.There are many changes to be made.But as an idea,I feel that an all Italian team is not so great.In government run organisations,that is ok.But in areas of cutting edge technology,people should be employed on the basis of excellence,not on the basis of their nationalities.
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@ Prancing Horse,
I have to laugh out loud! How can you make an such an odd statement? All I can say is the Ferrari Team is an Italian team and if it is made up of 99% Italian personel they could very well be the best as a collective group in Formula One. I think people reason things in keeping with stereotypes, bias opinion and conjecture. Should we make the same arguement at McLaren and Williams or Mercedes for that matter. Two British Teams with 99% British personel and one that is now German Team who is quickly moving in a more German directing with their hires. Should they be teams made up with many nationalities as well or does your logic apply to only Ferrari??? Well, your logic is badly flawed and the truth has been that Ferrari has always been 99% Italian and has done just fine. Maybe you do not remember Ferrari's early years, the success of the 70's when Ferrari was winning Championships. They were certainly an All-Italian Team then as they are now. No, the answer is that it makes no difference from what nation an Engineer is from because the discipline is still the same.
I have to laugh out loud! How can you make an such an odd statement? All I can say is the Ferrari Team is an Italian team and if it is made up of 99% Italian personel they could very well be the best as a collective group in Formula One. I think people reason things in keeping with stereotypes, bias opinion and conjecture. Should we make the same arguement at McLaren and Williams or Mercedes for that matter. Two British Teams with 99% British personel and one that is now German Team who is quickly moving in a more German directing with their hires. Should they be teams made up with many nationalities as well or does your logic apply to only Ferrari??? Well, your logic is badly flawed and the truth has been that Ferrari has always been 99% Italian and has done just fine. Maybe you do not remember Ferrari's early years, the success of the 70's when Ferrari was winning Championships. They were certainly an All-Italian Team then as they are now. No, the answer is that it makes no difference from what nation an Engineer is from because the discipline is still the same.
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@FrankAlfa
I don't think its people bashing Italian engineers. I think any team...from any nationality...that employs people from their own nationality the whole time...runs a danger of not employing the very best. That might cost them that fraction of a second one might need in the end. I am not saying it cant be done...as team budgets play a huge role in all this as well.
I however do think the people at Ferrari knows what they are doing.
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I also think that most people are underestimating Mercedes. I wont be surprised if they are the main threat for Ferrari within 3 races.
I don't think its people bashing Italian engineers. I think any team...from any nationality...that employs people from their own nationality the whole time...runs a danger of not employing the very best. That might cost them that fraction of a second one might need in the end. I am not saying it cant be done...as team budgets play a huge role in all this as well.
I however do think the people at Ferrari knows what they are doing.
Slightly Off Topic
I also think that most people are underestimating Mercedes. I wont be surprised if they are the main threat for Ferrari within 3 races.
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Ferrari "B" Spec. Race Car :
A Ferrari "B" Spec can only improve the chances of Ferrari winning the Championships. Development and Engineering solution work never ends. You can look for many different solutions to solve the same problem. Ferrari have hire three exception Engineers during latter part of 2009' and their work hopefully is being realized.
In the history of most if not all Formula One Teams, employ personel from their country of origin and home base location. It only makes common sense and it is a logical move to hire those that speak the same language. If I was to take your logic as fact then we would only see ONLY "Multi-National" staff personel on all teams. This is certainly not the case. McLaren & Williams are very British. Ferari is very Italian. Sauber is very German / Swiss. Mercedes / Brawn is moving to become a much more German Team. My point is there is nothing wrong with a team having the majority of team personel coming from the teams home base country of origin. Obviously, countries like Italy, England, France and Germany are producing the majority of Engineers in Europe. There certainly is more then enough personel to go around.
Ferrari's "B" Spec car can only be a good thing! They have a very strong base to start with in the current form of the Ferrari F10 and if they can develop and enhance the F10 then all the better! They certainly have many key Engineers working on many solutions and their ability should not be undersetimated, ever.
Forza Ferrari!!!!
A Ferrari "B" Spec can only improve the chances of Ferrari winning the Championships. Development and Engineering solution work never ends. You can look for many different solutions to solve the same problem. Ferrari have hire three exception Engineers during latter part of 2009' and their work hopefully is being realized.
In the history of most if not all Formula One Teams, employ personel from their country of origin and home base location. It only makes common sense and it is a logical move to hire those that speak the same language. If I was to take your logic as fact then we would only see ONLY "Multi-National" staff personel on all teams. This is certainly not the case. McLaren & Williams are very British. Ferari is very Italian. Sauber is very German / Swiss. Mercedes / Brawn is moving to become a much more German Team. My point is there is nothing wrong with a team having the majority of team personel coming from the teams home base country of origin. Obviously, countries like Italy, England, France and Germany are producing the majority of Engineers in Europe. There certainly is more then enough personel to go around.
Ferrari's "B" Spec car can only be a good thing! They have a very strong base to start with in the current form of the Ferrari F10 and if they can develop and enhance the F10 then all the better! They certainly have many key Engineers working on many solutions and their ability should not be undersetimated, ever.
Forza Ferrari!!!!
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Aaaah ok....I agree with you there Frank. Majority is another issue as that's where a teams pride comes from and it is common sense to have the majority of personnel from the same country of the team. I was more referring to where a team tries to be ONLY from a specific nationality with no other nationality members. 
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@ Pharlap,
Well I think it is easier to draw talent from anyone's home country then to draw people from foreign countries. Get Engineers that are "right in your back yard" so to speak. I think it really is just how thengs occur and not a specific intent. It just seems that odds are that you will get more Engineers form the locality of where the team is rather then foreign applicants. I just stands to reason.
Forza Ferrari!!!!
Well I think it is easier to draw talent from anyone's home country then to draw people from foreign countries. Get Engineers that are "right in your back yard" so to speak. I think it really is just how thengs occur and not a specific intent. It just seems that odds are that you will get more Engineers form the locality of where the team is rather then foreign applicants. I just stands to reason.
Forza Ferrari!!!!
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Nah, the F10 race car is not "Designed" for any particular driver. It is in the setup of the car that counts. Who can setup the race car beeter to get the most out of it. You can set the car up for understeer or oversteer. That is really it. The conflict is not between the driver and the race car but who can drive the SAME race car faster! Alonso is showing why many regard him as the best driver in Formula One. Massa is one of the top drivers but Alonso is the most consistent driver in the field. This is what Schumacher USED to do.
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??? You think so??? I don't know??? At this point it really is up to the Driver to drive hard, drive with his head and win races. I think Massa knows full well why Alonso was hired and the pressure is on him to perform. We have seen Massa for many years now and he always gets strong in the middle part of the year. Maybe he is just getting into his groove. Alonso has obviously found his groove already and is "out-driving" Massa at present. It is Massa that must pick up his game. At the first race, Massa out qualified Alonso but Alonso picked up his game and ended up winning the race. In this race Massa is behind and he must pick up his game. The same thing is playing out on all of the teams. Button is ahead of Hamilton at this race. Hamilton must pick up his game. The "cat & mouse" situation will be played out over and over again for most teams during the year. I think it is a bit to early to favor one driver over the other on any team but after a few races we will all see the top driver for each team emerge. Alonso certainly does have the edge at this time at Ferrari!
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