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Re: News and Stuff!
Stu69 13 March, 2019 19:53
Nice bit from Joe Saward about Williams. On Motorsportweek.com

I am a dyed-in-the-wool Williams fan and I hate seeing what is happening to the team today. It actually pains me. My first Grand Prix as a spectator was the team's first victory back in 1979 and I gradually got to know everyone involved from the mid-Eighties onwards. I was very close to FW, one of the most inspiring people in F1, and Sir Patrick is a wonderful voice of reality, although a little more muted these days. I was also a huge fan of Ginny, Lady Williams, who wrote the best book I ever read about F1 (A Different Kind of Life) and who was so important in the way the team developed. I'm very glad that her role has been highlighted by the recent documentary about the team. What has happened in recent years is incredibly sad. Frank had at least three succession plans that all went wrong, the first as long ago as 2005 when Chris Chapple was appointed CEO. In 2006 Adam Parr arrived, a very clever man, but he made important enemies early on (read Bernie Ecclestone) and in 2012 he was thrown out with FW getting nudged to make the move (so they say) by Mr E, when there were discussions about Williams getting an annual historic payment. And then, of course, there was Toto Wolff, who arrived as a shareholder and ran the team for a bit before being lured away (how could he refuse such a deal?) by Mercedes.

Paddy Lowe, the chief technical officer, is a very clever engineer but being a clever engineer does not necessarily mean you are a great leader. It is something we have seen over and over in F1 history. Leadership is about more than brain power. In any case he is now on "a leave of absence” from the team “for personal reasons”, which is an explanation which simply draws more attention to the situation because it is so clearly corporate gobbledygook. It has been known for some time that Lowe's complicated deal with the team, including share options and (so they say) massive compensation if he was to depart, was getting in the way. Some say that Williams could not afford to part ways with him, which would explain the leave of absence, which means that he has not actually left the team, but is no longer actually involved, which in turn means that the parties can now negotiate/take legal action, without it impacting on the day-to-day life of the team. In any case, no-one in F1 is expecting Lowe to return from his leave of absence. One can, of course, blame him for failing to produce a good enough car for two consecutive seasons, with different design teams.

The 2019 car, if nothing else, does not seem to have any fundamental flaws, apart from the fact that it was late arriving and so is far behind its rivals in terms of development. There is talk of insufficient money but when you do the numbers, while Williams has lost a lot of revenues of late, because of the poor results, it still seems to have had a bigger budget than direct rival Force India/Racing Point, which has produced much better results, despite going through a period of administration and having facilities that are far less impressive than those at Grove. If money is short at Williams, then there will likely be a big crisis this year. I hope not.

There are some who argue that if a team has two consecutive bad cars, then the management must be questioned because the fault lies in the choice of technical director, as well as with the technical director himself. I would phrase it slightly differently: I would replace the word "management", with the word "leadership". They are not the same thing at all. If one looks at Sauber, one can say that Fred Vasseur did a terrific job to revive the Swiss team. I don't disagree with that in some respects, but I think that the thing that got the team's staff willing to go the extra mile was having Charles Leclerc driving. He was an engine for progress (not the only one, but an important one nonetheless). This year they have a bigger budget and have hired some good people and we will see if the progress is sustained. It will be interesting. Racing teams succeed through good leadership, even if they have small budgets. That is the key. Leadership usually begins with the shareholders but can be provided by the management, the leading engineer or even a driver, but it has to be something that allows people to do their jobs and inspires them at the same time. If the ownership will not let its managers operate then the team will fail. It's to do with respect more than anything. If one sees what Gunther and Otmar do with the teams they manage, you see how it works, on small budgets.

The thing that slightly alarms me is that there will come a point at which Mercedes will need to decide whether to continue with Williams and might conclude that it could be a better idea to go with McLaren... I understand that Williams does not wish to become a satellite team of a big manufacturer, but if you cannot hack it with the big boys, this is the best strategic choice. That might be difficult for Team Willy to accept, given its history, but it might also be the best path to survive. All the customer teams have the dream of one day picking up a manufacturer of their own, but this is hard to do. I believe that if F1 cuts its costs and stays with the same brilliant engines (and does more to promote the astonishing achievements of recent years), the groundwork will be laid for more manufacturers to get involved. As the engines develop, the law of diminishing returns kicks in, which means that newcomers can catch up more easily... Changes to the engine rules simply spreads the field out and pushes up the budgets...

Re: News and Stuff!
phatjack 13 March, 2019 20:34
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The hell is this? Surely these idiots from the missed apex are wrong. From reddit:
"Missed Apex were reporting that Williams were going to the other teams for parts for the second car."

"Yeah they mentioned that apparently the Strolls are playing hardball for money to close out Lance's contract and some of the Kubica money might not be as available as they were planning going into the season - net result being they have a cashflow problem. Spanners didnt really give any sources other than saying they had been talking to some people in and around the paddock though, as you might expect."

Ask yourself the following question: what parts are interchangeable between cars?
Answer: apart from the engine mechanics: none

Maybe it wasn't parts? How do you classify raw material that is common among teams?

Money

Definitely but I was thinking along these lines

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Carbon fibre is most commonly used in the bodywork of an F1 car and also the air box, the wings, the engine cover, steering wheel and in the suspension.

*wink*

Re: News and Stuff!
Andrew Hooper 14 March, 2019 00:29
Parts for a second car. I would ask as to what if any parts would be common across two totally different F1 cars.

Re: News and Stuff!
AlanJones 14 March, 2019 06:13
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The hell is this? Surely these idiots from the missed apex are wrong. From reddit:
"Missed Apex were reporting that Williams were going to the other teams for parts for the second car."

"Yeah they mentioned that apparently the Strolls are playing hardball for money to close out Lance's contract and some of the Kubica money might not be as available as they were planning going into the season - net result being they have a cashflow problem. Spanners didnt really give any sources other than saying they had been talking to some people in and around the paddock though, as you might expect."

Ask yourself the following question: what parts are interchangeable between cars?
Answer: apart from the engine mechanics: none

Maybe it wasn't parts? How do you classify raw material that is common among teams?

Money

Definitely but I was thinking along these lines

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Carbon fibre is most commonly used in the bodywork of an F1 car and also the air box, the wings, the engine cover, steering wheel and in the suspension.

*wink*

Sooo, Williams doesn't have enough money to buy Carbon Fibre? That sounds silly.




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Re: News and Stuff!
Myvatn 14 March, 2019 06:40
In case their “rumours” are false, couldn’t the team take legal action against them? They are a listed company after all, spreading false rumours like these could also have a financial impact on the team.

Re: News and Stuff!
shriekback 14 March, 2019 07:19
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I stopped listening to their shitty podcast a while ago because I couldnt stand the pople there. There are only two people on that podcast who are reasonably neutral - the american guy and that GT racing driver. The other ones are biased as hell and seems like they hate Williams for some reason.

Those guys are not merely biased clowns, they're also shameless and malicious liars.

In their detailing of supposed rumors of financial crisis at Williams, they credited the loss of support from Martini as part of the problem but failed to note the subsequent, and perhaps even more lucrative, title sponsorship deal with ROKiT. Such a glaring omission suggests to me that those rumors they claim to have heard around the paddock actually originated from somewhere deep up their own asses.

Re: News and Stuff!
cecogor 14 March, 2019 08:08
From motorsport-total.com for George Russell
"...The Mercedes-Junior has signed a contract for two years with Williams. He hopes, therefore, that his work will pay off later than the 2020th ..."
So multi-year contract means contract only for 2 years?!



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Re: News and Stuff!
ihme 14 March, 2019 09:31
The press conference - [www.youtube.com]

Re: News and Stuff!
Stu69 16 March, 2019 09:22
I don’t know how I missed this as I normally stay close to M&As. Geely own Lotus! That’s a surprise!

Re: News and Stuff!
Vancha 16 March, 2019 15:33
Where is Adam Parr?

Re: News and Stuff!
Ozzy Osbone 16 March, 2019 16:49
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From motorsport-total.com for George Russell
"...The Mercedes-Junior has signed a contract for two years with Williams. He hopes, therefore, that his work will pay off later than the 2020th ..."
So multi-year contract means contract only for 2 years?!

He's obviously got his eyes on the Merc seat. I see HAM in that team for 3 more years at least. So one seat between BOT / RUS / OCO.

I can even see OCO in our team next year if KUB is not up to it.

I think HAM will want 2 more years with BOT as he believes he can handle him.

Re: News and Stuff!
Gunk 16 March, 2019 18:35
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I can even see OCO in our team next year if KUB is not up to it.


I think that's very, if not highly likely if there are talks about co-operation.

Alfa (Sauuber) finally has two Ferrari drivers. It's the price you pay.

Re: News and Stuff!
Anderis 16 March, 2019 19:50
I don't think Alfa hired Raikkonen because he was a Ferrari driver. Ferrari had no interest in pushing him there. I think Alfa just wanted to have a big name driver in their team and went for Raikkonen when they saw the opportunity.

Re: News and Stuff!
Vancha 18 March, 2019 22:19
My Facebook 10 year ago:

Nakajima flies as F1 testing ends.. : )

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Re: News and Stuff!
Anderis 19 March, 2019 09:18
2009- my favourite F1 season ever. Even the testing was so exciting.

Re: News and Stuff!
IanSmithISA 19 March, 2019 10:44
Good moning,

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I can even see OCO in our team next year if KUB is not up to it.

I think that's very, if not highly likely if there are talks about co-operation.
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Whilst it is unreasonable to draw much from a single qualifying, in Australia Q1

Perez was 1:22.908
Stroll was 1:23.017.

Given that neither Ocon or Perez really dominated the other last year its not looking good for Ocon as the next great superfast driver therefore a must have. :-)

Bye

Ian

Re: News and Stuff!
Gunk 19 March, 2019 15:25
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Whilst it is unreasonable to draw much from a single qualifying, in Australia Q1

Perez was 1:22.908
Stroll was 1:23.017.

Given that neither Ocon or Perez really dominated the other last year its not looking good for Ocon as the next great superfast driver therefore a must have. :-)

Speed is irrelevant. No one in their right mind will drive for Williams next year unless there is some other incentive. Ocon can't afford to sit out another season.

Stroll had a very good weekend. So did Bottas. Ocon has nowhere to go at the moment. Mercedes were ticked off by Wehrlein jumping ship. As I said, if there's a co-operation with Merc, I'm sure Ocon will be a condition.

Re: News and Stuff!
CLOVERLEAF 888 19 March, 2019 16:35
In Stu69's post was this :

The thing that slightly alarms me is that there will come a point at which Mercedes will need to decide whether to continue with Williams and might conclude that it could be a better idea to go with McLaren.



Think that a really good point. Cant see Mercedes wanting to continue with us if we cant produce a car to match the engine.... do we have their engines for 2021 or is 2020 the last year of contract?

Re: News and Stuff!
siwy_dymek 19 March, 2019 23:02
I really like Williams, I support them! Fingers crossed! Forza RK&GR. But comparing the pictures of the backside of other cars, one association comes to mind. I am counting on your English humor winking smiley

backside

Re: News and Stuff!
Fair Dinkum Pole 19 March, 2019 23:34
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I really like Williams, I support them! Fingers crossed! Forza RK&GR. But comparing the pictures of the backside of other cars, one association comes to mind. I am counting on your English humor winking smiley
backside

I did come to similar conclusion in tread: The all New FW42

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