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Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Filip 07 September, 2019 16:32
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Mikef1
That end to q3 was a @#$%& joke. What is going on in this sport. Pathetic.

That was pathetic. Penalties left and right should be given.
As for Kubica - Williams just canít stop themselves. Kubica said that after FP3 the car felt good but in Q1 the balance changed dramatically from slight understeer to a massive oversteer. I just donít believe Williams doesnít know whatís going on with this after half of the season. It happens like every other race

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
tomazy 07 September, 2019 18:05
Interesting thing is, that in FP3 Kubica was 0,4s slower with a good balance than with a bad balance in Q. Russell (with a good balance in both sessionas?) was 0,5s slower for comparison.

And how do you know that it was Williams fault? For all we know, Kubica insisted in changes to setup?

I know for a fact, that in one race Robert said after Q that the balance of the car was ok, but after race, that the balance was @#$%& just lake yesterday (Q), so it must be Williams fault also that the car balance changes for the same session on diffirent days?

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Mehryar 07 September, 2019 19:27
Renault and Hulk really need to be penalised.It's the second weekend in a row to create such a mess with their slow driving.



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Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Filip 07 September, 2019 19:37
Quote:
tomazy
Interesting thing is, that in FP3 Kubica was 0,4s slower with a good balance than with a bad balance in Q. Russell (with a good balance in both sessionas?) was 0,5s slower for comparison.
And how do you know that it was Williams fault? For all we know, Kubica insisted in changes to setup?

I know for a fact, that in one race Robert said after Q that the balance of the car was ok, but after race, that the balance was @#$%& just lake yesterday (Q), so it must be Williams fault also that the car balance changes for the same session on diffirent days?

In FP3 Kubica had a moment in S3 so his lap was not good. Russell also had a good tow in his fastest lap. Their best S1 was identical so I assume that there would be max 0.1s between them after FP3. In Q on the Kubica onboard I immediately saw that something is off even being a layman, and team radio confirmed it. I donít know if they are doing this on purpose but I canít believe this is still happening after so many races. It happened in like 5 or 6 weekends already.

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Myvatn 07 September, 2019 22:10
The car is@#$%&and Kubica has been out of the sport 8 years and is struggling to come to terms with it. Simple as that. He's not exactly the first to use this kind of excuses when things don't go his way - lots of drivers do.

Anyway, I'll post some pics of our cars from yesterday and today.

FP1:

https://imageshack.com/i/pnBkUNPJj
https://imageshack.com/i/po2sWHfMj

FP2:
https://imageshack.com/i/plCTN3tvj
https://imageshack.com/i/plp9kAd5j

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Myvatn 07 September, 2019 22:17
FP3

https://imageshack.com/i/polzAz00j
https://imageshack.com/i/pmZ0flNOj
https://imageshack.com/i/pnCdNyRsj

Quali:

https://imageshack.com/i/poozbqP0j

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
SydneyF1Fan 07 September, 2019 22:33
Nice shots, Myvatn.

What camera gear and settings are you using?



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Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Mikef1 08 September, 2019 12:37
Looking forward to this race despite everything else this weekend. Max at the back always promises to be good fun

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
GroveF1 08 September, 2019 13:11
I'm worried about William's pace here - just don't think there's any sign of progressing forward in the field

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Gunk 08 September, 2019 13:13
The midfield should be interesting . . .

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Myvatn 08 September, 2019 14:21
Russell almost lapping Kubica...

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Gunk 08 September, 2019 15:08
That was quite a solid plod from George.

Really embarrassing for Vettel.

Renault finally get it together.

Super race by Leclerc.

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Myvatn 08 September, 2019 15:11
What a great race today. Leclerc is quickly developing into a champion, it was really exciting to see him fend off both Mercedes for the whole race. Vettel, on the other hand, seems really ready for retirement. His move on Stroll was really idiotic, never seen something like that.

As for Williams, little to say sadly. Pace looked a little less horrible than yesterday, but the teamís only highlight is Russelís driving. I hope next year will be a little better, but the team is not giving many reasons to be hopeful....

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
# 33 Max Crashstappen 08 September, 2019 15:31
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Mehryar
Quote:
# 33 Max Crashstappen
Quote:
Mehryar
Drivers saying it will be our worst possible track so we can't expect much but who knows!
On line-up thing, I don't think we hear anything regarding the second seat in quite a long time.They will wait for other teams to close and then selling the seat at the highest possible price.Something they've done in last 3 yrs.

Lol the drivers are saying it will be our worst possible track??? Every track this year has been Williams worst possible track, wake up guys Williams have come dead last at every single track this year.

Good to know you're still alive Whitey.

-------------

About the team running old package, maybe it was abit less draggy, isn't it a possibility?


Thanks (Sm129)

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Mehryar 08 September, 2019 15:59
What a matured drive by Lecrec and once again I was wondering why Vettel is keeping that seat.Honestly he threw the title away last season.Put Alonso in that car and he had a title in last 3yrs.

For us, There's not much to talk about.George lapped Kubica again? Though this weekend I think Robert was using an old PU which is surely down on power, if I'm not mistaken.



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Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Greg_OR 08 September, 2019 16:24
Quote:
Myvatn
Russell almost lapping Kubica...
Robert overtook George at start and held in front of him for 9 laps, with DRS on George had about 25km/h advantage so finally he overtook Robert with ease.
They had different strategies George pitted first on lap 23 and swapped MEDs to HARDs
Robert drove 29 laps on his MEDs and then swapped to SOFTs but some time later Kubica had an accident with brake pedal - it went to floor as he said on TR on T1 braking, causing great flat spot and vibrations so he had to pit again.
here is onboard of this: [streamable.com]

earlier in the race his display froze, so he could not see if the changes on steering wheel works or not.
and the top speed differences were huge mostly due to Kubica's old engine spec, I think.

At official F1 live timing there is "PERFORMANCE" tab with some ratings based on FIA telemetry
go there and check some teammate parings ours looks like this:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ade0cb1f147739b5fe1d7fbaa755d3dc4517fa3a58c6c039de6259ab626663f.jpg?w=800&h=450

but yes at the end George was over 1 min ahead of Robert and thus you can state "almost lapping"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2019 16:27 by Greg_OR.

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Gunk 08 September, 2019 17:04
Quote:
Mehryar
. . . once again I was wondering why Vettel is keeping that seat

Me too. I wonder if he is thinking about early retirement?

His whole body language doesn't seem right somehow. Even when he's been on the podium.

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Myvatn 08 September, 2019 17:59
Quote:
Greg_OR
Quote:
Myvatn
Russell almost lapping Kubica...
Robert overtook George at start and held in front of him for 9 laps, with DRS on George had about 25km/h advantage so finally he overtook Robert with ease.
They had different strategies George pitted first on lap 23 and swapped MEDs to HARDs
Robert drove 29 laps on his MEDs and then swapped to SOFTs but some time later Kubica had an accident with brake pedal - it went to floor as he said on TR on T1 braking, causing great flat spot and vibrations so he had to pit again.
here is onboard of this: [streamable.com]

earlier in the race his display froze, so he could not see if the changes on steering wheel works or not.
and the top speed differences were huge mostly due to Kubica's old engine spec, I think.

At official F1 live timing there is "PERFORMANCE" tab with some ratings based on FIA telemetry
go there and check some teammate parings ours looks like this:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ade0cb1f147739b5fe1d7fbaa755d3dc4517fa3a58c6c039de6259ab626663f.jpg?w=800&h=450

but yes at the end George was over 1 min ahead of Robert and thus you can state "almost lapping"
Thatís what I saw trackside. Of course the old engine may have been a factor, but still I do not think thatís likely to entirely cause the 1+ s/lap gap that we saw. Also, from your own data I see that ďcorneringĒ is the field in which Russell apparently has the biggest advantage...

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Greg_OR 08 September, 2019 20:45
Quote:
Myvatn
Thatís what I saw trackside. Of course the old engine may have been a factor, but still I do not think thatís likely to entirely cause the 1+ s/lap gap that we saw. Also, from your own data I see that ďcorneringĒ is the field in which Russell apparently has the biggest advantage...
That's what I'm talking about - many of you see what you want to see, trackside or not.

Engines they had were not only new/old spec but also George's was 1 race old and Robert's 6 races!

These are not "my own" data but official FIA F1 data from their site: [www.formula1.com]
another example Lewis vs Robert
And "cornering" is George's biggest disadvantage as higher note is better here, but you assummed George has to be better...

Another "experience" - during his 1st pit green light was shown when front right was not fixed, Robert started on green but immediately stopped allowing crew to fix the wheel: [twitter.com]

Re: Italian GP 2019 - Practice, Qualifying and Race
Myvatn 08 September, 2019 22:02
(my mistake)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2019 22:03 by Myvatn.

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