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Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
monty3 02 March, 2020 13:30
as long as were not dead last, fw43 will be join midfield battle,its good enough.
until when williams will used merc engine? i wish honda is next!!

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
Mikef1 02 March, 2020 13:35
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monty3
as long as were not dead last, fw43 will be join midfield battle,its good enough.
until when williams will used merc engine? i wish honda is next!!

I believe 2023

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
sennaspeed 02 March, 2020 18:53
Apologies if this was highlighted earlier, but I didn't fancy going through 19 pages to find out smiling smiley

In an article in Autosport Plus reviewing the second week, there's this paragraph,

"Ferrari and Williams also had new spoon-shaped rear wings for the second week as they sought to assess parts for higher-speed circuits, and the latter team also cycled between engine covers to understand the relationship between the car and the wing and find the best solution available to it."

I don't recall anyone mentioning that we were trying different engine covers.

Anyone have any pics?

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
GPL 02 March, 2020 19:35
GARY ANDERSONíS TRACKSIDE F1 TESTING CONCLUSION
1st Mar '20
By Gary Anderson
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Watching the cars from trackside during pre-season testing can tell you a lot. Throughout testing, viewing from all around the circuit allows you to build up an accurate picture of how the cars are behaving and how consistent they look.

In terms of what you are looking out for, if you can get to the correct angle looking through a corner you have the chance to see the outside of the front tyre. On the good cars, you canít quite see the side of it but some of the others have more understeer so you can pick up the side of the tyre.

Nowadays, the cars have become so good as they have so much downforce, performance-wise that is the limiting factor. From the front to the back thereís very little difference in the cars, but what you will see is just that little bit less grip, which then turns into some understeer and that can lead to the cars running slightly wider. Thatís visible in most corners at Barcelona.

You can also stand right at the side of the track for the approach to Turn 1, which gives you a good feeling of how the cars perform under braking. Are they consistent, or are they locking brakes or carrying too much speed sometimes?

You can normally tell if cars have got a high fuel load depending on the levels of acceleration and how sharp the car looks, which also helps you to understand what you are looking at.

Each corner has its own character, and by seeing the way the cars behave, you can add to what you learn from lap times to get a better idea of who looks good and bad.

MERCEDES
Motor Racing Formula One Testing Test Two Day 3 Barcelona, Spain

Watching all around the circuit, the Mercedes does look exceptionally good.

The Mercedes looks very strong into Turn 1 and the drivers have a lot of confidence in the rear of the car, which is what you need to turn the steering wheel aggressively without the rear end stepping out. The drivers can also keep a tight line to get through Turn 2 with the throttle flat and then carry the speed into the long Turn 3 right-hander.

At Turn 8, when they ride the kerb going up the hill, the car is very good over the kerbs. It moves, but it moves in a controlled way. Itís also consistent in the slow corners in the final sector. The Mercedes just looks all-round good, which is better than it has looked in pre-season testing previously when it has sometimes appeared to be on a bit of a knife edge.

The car is very stable, looks good on the brakes, turns in well, the gearchange is crisp. All of the boxes appear to be ticked.

RED BULL
Motor Racing Formula One Testing Test Two Day 2 Barcelona, Spain

At times the Red Bull looked exceptional, but on the final day it didnít quite look as strong. There was nothing majorly wrong, the car was doing everything very well, but it just looked like the drivers were needing to hustle the car as opposed to the times coming naturally.

There are a few hints of instability, which is shown by how many times Max Verstappen and Alex Albon had spins and excursions. The Red Bull is a high rake car and that takes some effort to make the concept work correctly.

You have to ensure that your aerodynamics and the vortices that are generated to help seal the sides of the under floor actually function correctly or you will get some downforce inconsistency. On the track with varying wind conditions and different steering locks, this problem can be magnified.

Red Bull will optimise all of this in CFD and the windtunnel but it can be different on the track, especially when the wind gets up. The car has usually been good in slow corners but Red Bull has yet to optimise the RB16 in these corners.

FERRARI
Motor Racing Formula One Testing Test Two Day 3 Barcelona, Spain

I donít see anything major to complain about with the Ferrari. But, if anything, the front end was probably washing out more than it should be.

This wasnít so much in the slower corners, but in the longer corners Ė which there are a lot of in Barcelona Ė the front end mid-corner was not optimised.

The car did look fairly heavy, it didnít accelerate off the corners particularly aggressively for most of the laps that I was watching. Itís very difficult to say if Ferrari was indeed running with a detuned engine specification.

A typical example of what you look at is the speed mid-corner in Turn 3, you need the GPS data to judge this correctly.
Teams will compare the speed of the Ferrari to their own car and if it is faster mid-corner, they are either running less fuel or have more downforce.

That combined with straight line speed will give you more of a clue. If a car is faster in the corners and slow on the straights, it probably has more downforce. If a car is faster in the corners and fast on the straights, itís probably running less fuel than the comparative car.

Then you will have a look at acceleration coming off a reasonably slow corner. If they accelerate faster then they will have less fuel or more power, so with all this data a team should be able to hone in on where the performance of a competitor is coming from.

But it does appear the Ferrari car has a little more drag which, combined with often running heavy, contributed to this impression.

Through Turn 5 on a quick lap, Charles Leclerc stays out a good half a carís width, maybe three-quarters, from the inside kerb. Thereís a lot of camber on the track there and whereas the Mercedes could clip the kerb, the Ferrari stayed wide. That suggests the Ferrari isnít as compliant as far as vertical and roll stiffness is concerned and doesnít ride uneven track surfaces so well.

On slow laps, the drivers do use the inside line there but the car doesnít want to be there on push laps.

RACING POINT
Motor Racing Formula One Testing Test Two Day 2 Barcelona, Spain

The Racing Point RP20 has become known as the Pink Mercedes because of its resemblance to last yearís championship winning car. Fortunately for the team, it also looks a lot like a Mercedes on track.

There is nothing dramatically wrong with it, it uses the kerbs well, itís stable, thereís no major understeer. This is a very good package even by the standards of todayís cars but the drivers have confidence to attack, which they didnít always have in the teamís previous cars.

MCLAREN
Motor Racing Formula One Testing Test Two Day 1 Barcelona, Spain

The McLaren looks cumbersome at times and doesnít seem to leap forward when the drivers hit the throttle, which suggests that the car was often running heavy. But that doesnít mean it doesnít look good.

It does look better than it was in pre-season testing last year, itís consistent and gives the drivers confidence.

Watching at Turn 3, Sainz uses a fairly different line to everyone else. Most drivers turn in, clip the inside at the entry then let the car run out. But Sainz takes a tighter line round most of the corner and heís a good half a car, maybe a carís width, to the right. That keeps you away from the marbles and doesnít need to use that space.

Whether thatís quicker or not is hard to say, normally itís better to free the car up by using all of the track, but it can hold this tighter line which could pay off at a few other tracks.

RENAULT
Motor Racing Formula One Testing Test One Day 3 Barcelona, Spain

If you had to pick out on team with a car that has something that needs to be fixed, itís Renault.

Just on the exit of Turn 2, thereís a dip in the track and when the cars are coming out of that dip they bottom out and you get sparks from the skidplate underneath the car. The Renault had much longer spells of sparking whereas for others it would probably only last a metre or so. Renaultís is odd because it lasts 10 metres or so.

Going into Turn 1, when Esteban Ocon was hustling the car on the final morning, you can see the understeer but then the front end bites and then the rear snaps. Other cars, say the Alfa Romeo, had the same understeer but the front doesnít bite so thereís no snap, meaning a very different recovery from the same situation.

Looking further around the track, Iíd say Renault is trying to fix that understeer by making mechanical changes to the front suspension. The aero changes that I have seen over the test days also suggest itís tackling an understeer problem as well, but they seem to be trying to fix it mechanically.

Renault appears to be trying to hold the front of the car with a more fixed ride height, either using more rebound on the damping or the inerter isnít tuned to allow the car to find its equilibrium as good as others. At Turn 8, thereís a kerb you use with a yellow sausage kerb they all go across and the Renault seems not connected in the middle.

By that I mean it takes the bump at the front, then at the rear and it does that four or five times whereas the Mercedes has a quick bounce then stops. So the Renault doesnít absorb the bumps and recover so well.

Iím pretty sure they have an aerodynamic understeer problem, especially in medium and slow-speed corners and itís trying to fix it mechanically.

ALPHATAURI
Motor Racing Formula One Testing Test Two Day 3 Barcelona, Spain

The AlphaTauri looks very much like the Racing Point and the McLaren in that it does everything itís supposed to do with no big vices.

Itís well balanced but just lacks a bit of grip because the drivers have to use more road in Turn 3 than, say, the Red Bull as it is sliding that bit more. But itís not having huge understeer or a snappy rear so itís a reasonably well-balanced car with a little understeer that allows the drivers to attack.

AlphaTauri has a good base there to work from.

ALFA ROMEO
Motor Racing Formula One Testing Test Two Day 3 Barcelona, Spain

Itís a car a bit like the AlphaTauri in that it doesnít have the overall downforce, but the difference is it has a lot more understeer.

That balance is clear, as even though it doesnít have the overall grip, the front end is the limiting factor. The front and rear wing developments they ran in the second test didnít make a lot of sense to me, the front in particular being something that will make it more sensitive.

As it gets nearer to the ground, the downforce increases, and the front wing wonít stall in some corners, but in others it will. So sometimes you have a car that might be too pointy, but others the front will wash away. Both from trackside and looking at the front wing, Alfa Romeo seems a little mixed up with how to address the front wing sensitivity.

We have seen the drivers go off a few times, perhaps caught out by that sensitivity. So Alfa Romeo has a lot to think about.

HAAS
Motor Racing Formula One Testing Test Two Day 3 Barcelona, Spain

Thereís nothing visibly wrong with the Haas, but when it does give up the drivers can get into a bit of a tankslapper fairly easily.

But thatís just the limit of the car rather than something wrong, at 98% itís fine but at 100% the car just gives up a little. A lot of cars do this, but unlike the AlphaTauri that just slides nicely, it gives the drivers a bit of a movement.

So there is a bit of a concern that the car can give up at either end when the drivers push so there could still be that aerodynamic problem where itís not quite robust enough when the drivers are right on the limit.

WILLIAMS
Motor Racing Formula One Testing Test Two Day 2 Barcelona, Spain

The car was actually very impressive and the recovery from last year looks massive. The new aerodynamic philosophy that Williams appears to have defined as its requirements is a major step forward and has no big vices. The few moments we do see are normal when drivers are pushing on.


[b]Sounds Promising.
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Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
tomazy 02 March, 2020 19:56
Quote:
sennaspeed
Apologies if this was highlighted earlier, but I didn't fancy going through 19 pages to find out smiling smiley
In an article in Autosport Plus reviewing the second week, there's this paragraph,

"Ferrari and Williams also had new spoon-shaped rear wings for the second week as they sought to assess parts for higher-speed circuits, and the latter team also cycled between engine covers to understand the relationship between the car and the wing and find the best solution available to it."

I don't recall anyone mentioning that we were trying different engine covers.

Anyone have any pics?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERxXx9XWkAAgE6n.jpg:large

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
tomazy 02 March, 2020 21:37
I was bored and have no life, so I went throu speed trap data from the test. By our speeds, we were using the engine the most on the first day of the second test. Latifi, on the stint that ended becouse of the engine problem, he had a lap that started with the speed of 284kmh on sf line, and the speed trap was 318kmh. Then I looked if it was done with slipstream, he was 5s behind Hamilton, so no?
In the afternoon, Russell had the new engine. He ended a quick lap (316kmh) with the sf speed of 286kmh, and proceedet to the speed trap before slowing down for a slow lap for a speed of 320kmh, no car in front of him at least 10s so no slipstream. He then proceeded with 5 laps without DRS, and he was dooing 272-274 on start finish line and 289-294kmh at the speed trap (medum tires C3).

On the last day of testing, on the fastest lap time from Williams , Russel had 280 sf, 311st with less fuel and softer tires (tires are inportant for the start finish speed becouse it is after a corner).

On Latifis last 5 laps of race sim, when he was the lightest, he had speeds of 268-269 on sf, and 274-283kmh on speed trap, so his engine was way down. Russells last 5 laps were done with more engine power 270-274 sf and 287-292 on speed trap.

So what does this mean? Well, if we say that the main streight is 800m (? guess) long, and if we say, that we were 5kmh slower becouse of engine mode, that would mean that we lost 0,16s just there. for the whole lap, it shold be around 0,3s.

Or it could be the wind blowing in the diffirent direction on difirent days (Sm80)

I hope it makes sence to somebody what I just wanted to tell haha

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
monty3 02 March, 2020 22:58
wow......how hard to be Williamsf1 fans. hahaha

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
Mikef1 03 March, 2020 07:59
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tomazy
I was bored and have no life, so I went throu speed trap data from the test. By our speeds, we were using the engine the most on the first day of the second test. Latifi, on the stint that ended becouse of the engine problem, he had a lap that started with the speed of 284kmh on sf line, and the speed trap was 318kmh. Then I looked if it was done with slipstream, he was 5s behind Hamilton, so no?
In the afternoon, Russell had the new engine. He ended a quick lap (316kmh) with the sf speed of 286kmh, and proceedet to the speed trap before slowing down for a slow lap for a speed of 320kmh, no car in front of him at least 10s so no slipstream. He then proceeded with 5 laps without DRS, and he was dooing 272-274 on start finish line and 289-294kmh at the speed trap (medum tires C3).

On the last day of testing, on the fastest lap time from Williams , Russel had 280 sf, 311st with less fuel and softer tires (tires are inportant for the start finish speed becouse it is after a corner).

On Latifis last 5 laps of race sim, when he was the lightest, he had speeds of 268-269 on sf, and 274-283kmh on speed trap, so his engine was way down. Russells last 5 laps were done with more engine power 270-274 sf and 287-292 on speed trap.

So what does this mean? Well, if we say that the main streight is 800m (? guess) long, and if we say, that we were 5kmh slower becouse of engine mode, that would mean that we lost 0,16s just there. for the whole lap, it shold be around 0,3s.

Or it could be the wind blowing in the diffirent direction on difirent days (Sm80)

I hope it makes sence to somebody what I just wanted to tell haha

On the race sim the cars would naturally be slower down the straights as they are not using drs and they will not have full ERS charge every lap so deployment will not be as strong.

3 tenths is what Sainz said Mercedes cars were losing on the straights on the last day so it all works out

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
Polemik 03 March, 2020 08:07
Quote:
monty3
wow......how hard to be Williamsf1 fans. hahaha

Yeah, last 25 years it's very hard.
I think you have to be a little bit masochist to keep up support them.
(Sm156)sad smiley

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
monty3 03 March, 2020 15:17
i think ferrari fans more stressfull than us. the world popular F1 team but still no WCC since.......argh cant remember. " being second is to be the first of the ones who loses" hahaha

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
sennaspeed 03 March, 2020 17:08
Quote:
tomazy
Quote:
sennaspeed
Apologies if this was highlighted earlier, but I didn't fancy going through 19 pages to find out smiling smiley
In an article in Autosport Plus reviewing the second week, there's this paragraph,

"Ferrari and Williams also had new spoon-shaped rear wings for the second week as they sought to assess parts for higher-speed circuits, and the latter team also cycled between engine covers to understand the relationship between the car and the wing and find the best solution available to it."

I don't recall anyone mentioning that we were trying different engine covers.

Anyone have any pics?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERxXx9XWkAAgE6n.jpg:large

Thank you

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
Gwanni 03 March, 2020 20:42
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although last we are close!



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Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
ihme 04 March, 2020 10:32

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
Rear Wing 1 04 March, 2020 10:56
LMAO @ Carlos Sainz....He said in an interview that he thinks AlphaTauri is a bigger threat to McLaren this year than what Renault is,,, lol.

What is Carlos Sainz smoking? (Sm8)

Re: Barcelona Testing Week 2
GPL 04 March, 2020 14:29
I would say these times they have given seem a very good guess from what i have seen over testing.

The only other thing i would add is that our tire usage is not that hot yet and we could start to fall back after 10 laps or so when we are in the heat of battle.more than we should compared to most of the other teams.

I am sure we will get on top of this soon, updates or some more down force should help i hope.

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