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Re: Technically what is wrong with FW41???
Posted by: keith wakefield
Date: 11/03/2018 12:37
This bit stands out to me could be loads of areas wrong on the new car.

“Mostly these things involve a strong aerodynamic element, but the solutions involve everything from suspension to tires and everything else. So it’s always multi-dimensiona

It could turn out to be one big turkey or it could turn out to be a Swan.
All i will say is if this car is not 1.5 seconds quicker by Spain i will
have serious doubts of the FW41 design.

Where that will leave the team if this car fails does not bare thinking about

So fingers crossed big time that the base of this new car is sound and true.


You took Paddy's quote out of context here. What he actually says is.

some other aspects of the car are working really, really strongly through other phases of the corner. Mostly these things involve a strong aerodynamic element.

He then goes on to discuss the resolution as.

the solutions involve everything from suspension to tires and everything else. So it's always multi-dimensional.

As such, this indicates that the car has a strong aerodynamic platform, which is representitive in its lap time on the soft, but that the tyres are the problem.

To put this in further perspective.

The team set a very competitive lap on soft tyres, you need a fast car to set the time we did. Fact.

Further evidence of the good aeroynamic platform is that on Launch paddy said they set ambitious targets which were met. He now says we have the best aero correlation he has ever seen. Aerodynamics is not the problem...

The reason we didn't set a 1.18 or below is because we couldn't switch on the lower tyres. (Supersoft, Ultrasoft and Hypersoft.)

From my personal experience with race cars, this comes from mechanical and setup issues which Paddy confirms. There are 10 variables from a setup perspective that directly influence the performance of a tyre.

What influences whether you get those variables right is the data, and the driver feedback. With our drivers, we don't get valuable feedback, so we have to rely on data alone which almost isn't good enough. Sometimes what a driver wants and what data suggests is opposite, but it's generally favorable to go with the driver feedback.

With regards to your 1.5 seconds quicker, that's a mental statement. If we were 1.5 seconds quicker on the soft tyres, we would have the fastest f1 car in history. it is not performance time to find in the car itself, but to have the car work with the tyres.

Many teams have been hampered by this. Red Bull, Mercedes, Williams and Force India all reportedly had big issues working the softer tyres over a lap. THis is due to the soft surface and low temps, but Williams problems are exaggerated by inexperienced drivers. This is why kubica was able to shine.

To summarise,

Aerodynamic platform, Good.
Setups - where the most time can be found.
Problem - Drivers.

LOL ok Mike.

What was our fastest time whatever and tyre was it a 1:19 :1 that was all the car could really manage so going on that time tyre fuel load whatever i would like to think that when we hope they resolve the issues we could then go 1.5 seconds quicker

working on that chart above we have gaind 0.2 seconds on last year i would like and think
0.2 plus my 1.5 when the car is working total 1.7 quicker than last years car which was average

I would think maybe a tenth of a second quicker in all the corners would do the job.


i Agree maybe front suspension rethink.
seems like once they get into the corner it settles down a bit
but could be anything at this stage

They must of tried loads of setups changes over these last 4 days and nothing has worked yet.


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