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TECHNICAL DIRECTORS: Ross BRAWN
(FERRARI), Sam MICHAEL (WILLIAMS), Pat SYMONDS (RENAULT), Pascal VASSELON
(TOYOTA)
Q: A question to you all: can
you talk us through the mass damper situation as you understand it from your
point of view?
Pascal VASSELON: Yes, Formula One control presents a very specific issue,
because we are running very hard suspension on top of very soft tyres and
it’s very tricky to control the body movements. From our point of view, we
have been working on this, of course, but we went in the direction of
classical suspension elements, which are not mass dampers, so at the moment
it’s not an issue.
Sam MICHAEL: I would say that we’ve experimented with that type of damper
and we definitely found gains with it on the track. We’re obviously not
running it at the moment, like most people. It will obviously be up to the
FIA on the 22nd of August to decide what’s what and to decide on the future
direction for it. There’s no doubt that you gain through less load
oscillation on the tyres, particularly in the end of straight condition;
that’s the place where you find the main advantage, but it’s all out there
at the moment. We’ll wait and see.
Ross BRAWN: We’ve had a system fitted on occasions this year, not every
race. Some tracks it seems to suit more than others and obviously we don’t
have the system fitted now.
Q: And the appeal by the FIA against their own stewards’ decision?
RB: I can understand how the situation’s evolved but I think it’s a little
difficult, because we tend to use the FIA technical department as the
reference and obviously if they make a dramatic mistake, then that needs
correcting but we’ve had lots of occasions when we perhaps haven’t agreed
with their assessment of the situation. We’ve lobbied them and still not
succeeded and we’ve abided by their decisions, which is the simplest way for
everybody to work. Having said that, I can understand the frustrations that
Renault have probably felt. But if we do get to the situation where we
regularly challenge technical directors through the stewards, it’s going to
get very messy, so I hope we don’t degenerate into that situation.
Pat SYMONDS: The devices have been in use at Renault since the last quarter
of 2005 and we have raced with them at every race up to Germany. I think the
events of Germany are pretty well documented, there’s no point in discussing
those. The stewards did challenge what we did and that now therefore has to
go to the Court of Appeal as the FIA have appealed against the stewards.
It’s actually nothing to do with Renault, it’s between the FIA and the
stewards. As that’s a process that’s on-going, I don’t think it’s correct
for me to comment on the technicalities of it, although we have our defence,
if you like, of our position. We have every faith in the International Court
of Appeal. We believe it is an unbiased final judgement and we shall wait
and see what the outcome is.
Q: Pascal, you became technical director just a few months ago, a fairly
major job for you. How are you getting on with it, has it been a steep
learning curve?
PV: I’m trying hard, I’m obviously working hard, but for a definitive answer
you had better ask my boss. Of course I have a lot of new things to learn
about, but when you are not technical director in my case but general
manager chassis, first of all you have to understand where there is a
problem in the car and the dominant performance factors, and in this area I
had some experience before coming to Toyota.
Q: The cars have been going much better since North America but little
things have been going wrong; how easy or difficult has it been to get on
top of those problems?
PV: In view of performance, it’s obviously getting better and better but we
still have too many reliability issues. We are working hard on that and it
probably doesn’t indicate that we took more risk in all areas, packaging,
cooling, but we are working on it and we fix problems one after the other.
Q: Sam, new driver pairing announced, in particular Alexander Wurz. Tell us
about him as a test driver, as a third driver and interesting to elevate him
as a race driver, given that he’s only done one race in the last three or
four years.
SM: I think ever since Alex came to Williams, he’s made a massive
contribution to our programme on Fridays, obviously, with his selection of
tyres and working on set-up. Both Nico and Mark had confidence in him almost
immediately and the decisions that he took, which was really good because if
he tests different things on Friday they just carry it straightaway, knowing
through all the tests that they’ve done that it’s valid for making the car
go faster. I think the other thing is that he’s someone who’s got a lot of
experience, he’s a very intelligent guy, really does understand cars from an
engineering perspective as well, and he brought a lot to the team in terms
of moving us forward on suspension set-up, electronics, engine driveability,
there were lots of genuine things. There’s a difference between talking a
good show and actually doing it and Alex very much delivered to the team
throughout the winter and helped us improve a lot of areas. In the racing
that he has done, he’s obviously always performed and we’re happy to have
him on board. He’s a fantastic character outside of the car as well. He’s
got a very good sense of humour and character and he’s also a big
contributor so I’m quite happy to have him in the team.
Q: Now Mark has raced very well over the last few races but something always
seems to go wrong for him. What have been the main problems, have you been
getting on top of them?
SM: I think that we’ve had a lot of reliability issues on Mark’s car this
year. He’s delivered probably over thirty points that haven’t resulted in
points because of car failures and unfortunately, this year, we’ve probably
had three or four very annoying small problems which are quite
straightforward to fix, which should have come up in testing but didn’t and
it means that instead of being fifth or so in the Constructors’ we’re
eighth. That’s obviously pretty hard for Mark to take because he has
delivered on at least three or four occasions where he would have been on
the podium and had done the job properly but we obviously let him down. It’s
a matter of us continually looking at our own systems and making sure we
improve those and get on top of them.
Q: Ross, rumours of your sabbatical. What’s your line?
RB: I’m afraid it will be a very short discussion if we want to have a
discussion on it. We’ve said that we’ll make the plans of the team,
specifically the team, known at the end of the season and that’s when we
will make it clear what our plans are for the future and we certainly won’t
make any comment before then and will concentrate on trying to win this
championship.
Q: But I know one of your tasks, almost since you first went to Ferrari, is
building for the future. To what extent have you been building up the
personnel to perhaps take over for when you go or anyone else leaving?
RB: I think when you first go to a team and I’ve been there ten years now –
I’ve been there ten years, this is the tenth year and it’s a team… I love
the team, Ferrari’s a fantastic team, we’ve had a fantastic group of people
– and when you first go to a team, your first job is just to sort out the
dramas. When I went to Ferrari there was a lot of day-to-day things which
needed to be put right. And when we got over those initial hurdles then we
had to start thinking about building for the future because none of us are
going to be there for ever. I think you’ve seen with Rory, who’s been a
great servant of Ferrari for the past few years, that we’ve successfully
brought on his successor in Aldo Costa and this car that we’re racing this
year, the one that we had last year, is primarily Aldo’s car, with Rory
giving what support he can, so we’ve had a very good evolution there. And
there’s evolutions going on throughout the whole organisation. Formula One
teams change shape and the shape of a team in the future may be different.
We have our plans and people seem to be a little bit anxious about them, but
I think they’re pretty positive, what we’ll be talking about at the end of
the season.
Q: Pat, it’s a mark of the performance of the team over the past two years,
if not longer, that the fact that you’ve been overtaken by Ferrari over the
last few races…
PS: We haven’t actually been overtaken yet…
Q: … but in terms of hierarchy, that Ferrari are now ahead. Is it that
Ferrari have got better, or have Renault had problems?
PS: Well, competitiveness is a relative thing and I think all we can discuss
is the relative competitiveness of Renault and Ferrari at the moment. Over
the last three races, Ferrari have certainly had the upper hand. Four races
before that, Renault had the upper hand. It’s swings and roundabouts. I’m
sure that Ross probably felt quite despondent when we got four wins in a
row. I feel quite despondent that he’s beaten us three times in a row. But
the season’s not over. We’re fighting hard, we had a dreadful race in
Germany for lots of reasons, but I hope that we’re a very honest team,
honest with ourselves and recognise our problems and act on them as quickly
as we possibly can. The fight’s not over. We had a good day today. The car
looks good here. We’ve got plenty coming for it, we’re working very, very
hard on it, and we’re going to take the fight to the end – and I think it
will be a good fight.
Q Do you think Fernando feels the pressure?
PS: No, I don’t think so. Fernando’s a remarkably calm character, extremely
laid back. No, I don’t think he does. I think that if he was ever going to
feel the pressure and show the pressure, it would have been last year. We
were racing a car that was considerably quicker than us last year and that
was a very frustrating thing to do and while Ferrari have been quicker than
us in the last couple of races, I don’t feel it’s the same situation that we
had last year. Fernando remained calm through last year to come through at
the end with the championship. I’ve seen no change in him this year. He’s
very, very calm, he’s very calculating, he’s thinking about his job and he’s
working as hard as the rest of us.
Q: He said yesterday that he felt it would be down to tyres, that both
chassis and engine manufacturers were neck and neck in terms of development,
but actually it was in the hands of the tyres. Would you agree?
PS: It’s very difficult to separate out the different parts of the package,
and it’s only when you’ve got the five elements of the package together that
you consistently win. Having said that, yeah, I’m sure there is some truth
in it. There is no doubt that last weekend we suffered with tyre problems,
but that doesn’t mean that it’s just a problem of Michelin or anything like
that. One of the great skills of designing racing cars is getting the car
and the tyre to work in harmony and if our performance wasn’t good last
week, it’s not necessarily that the tyre wasn’t good, it’s getting the two
working together. I’ve said all along this year that I think that the
situation is going to go up and down, as different tyres suit different
circuits and I still believe that to be the case. We have taken a bit of a
hammering over the last few races but I really see no reason why it can’t
swing the other way again.
QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR
Q: (Mathias Brunner – Motorsport Aktuell) Ross, usually in Hungary it’s very
hot and I’m sure Bridgestone worked in that direction before the summer
break. Now, in conditions like today, how difficult is it to tackle tyre
choice?
RB: I think you could all see today that there was a lot of degradation in
the tyres, a lot of graining going on and very few people’s tyres were
working properly to a lesser or greater degree. So it’s extremely difficult
today to get a picture of what’s going to be the situation by Saturday
afternoon and Sunday. It’s certainly cooler than we’ve had for some time and
cooler than we’ve had in testing or racing, so some of the newer compounds
we’re getting experience with in these conditions. I think we’ve suffered a
little bit, because normally we have a good GP2 session to settle the track
down before we get out there and that wasn’t the case this morning, so it
was the rawest condition we saw and on a track where, particularly here,
you’re trying to push to the limits of a compound.
The compounds looked pretty ragged today, but I expect that to improve over
the weekend but as to how they’ll behave in these cooler conditions, we
don’t have a lot of experience, because most of the summer has been
surprisingly hot and it could turn up a few surprises this weekend with the
tyres.
And just to elaborate on what Pat said, I think the biggest variable now for
the remainder of the season is the tyres. I think both teams are working
very hard on trying to improve their technical package but the thing, to me,
that’s going to be the biggest variable between now and the end of the
season is the tyres, how they work with the weather, how they work with the
particular tracks. This race, Turkey are tracks we have very little
experience of and tracks that don’t get raced on so they change a lot over
the weekend. I think that’s going to be an interesting challenge for both
groups for the rest of the year.
Q: (Mike Doodson – Auto Action) Can each of you please make an argument as
to why the regulations should not be changed, so that the minimum weight
represents what could be the minimum weight of the car which does not
require you to put any ballast in, in the first place?
PS: I think Mike that to mention ballast and mass dampers in the same
context is an odd thing to do. Ballast is a something that is added where
its pure purpose is to add mass and nothing else and a mass damper is an
engineering device, as are many other things. Mass dampers are used in motor
vehicles, in buildings, on bridges – you know, they should not be associated
with ballast or anything like that. I think, to answer your question, it
does not really matter where you place the weight limit. We will still
strive to build cars as light as we possibly can and as under the weight
limit as we possibly can so that we can use ballast – and by that I mean
devices that are there just to make up mass – to adjust the car in very much
the same way that we would adjust the aerodynamics or the vehicle dynamics
with springs or roll bars or whatever. We want to alter the weight
distribution in the car and we want to keep the weight as low as we possibly
can so I think that a change to the weight limit wouldn’t really alter the
way we went about things. If the weight limit went up, we would still strive
to get that much further below it and to keep our ballast low. If it went
down, we would work even harder to get the weight of the basis un-ballasted
car down. So I don’t think it would really have an effect on cost.
SM: if you reduce the weight limit a lot it makes it more expensive to reach
those limits that Pat was just talking about because it is harder to get to
that weight limit. The higher the weight limit is, it is cheaper because it
is much easier to make components that are stronger and heavier and still
achieve the weight limit so, you really send the favour away from the poorer
teams, if you like, if you start reducing the weight limit.
Q: (Sal Zanca – Associated Press) Ross, you said the decision will be known
at the end of the year, but have you made your own decision yet? And where
does all this rumour and speculation come from?
RB: I don’t know where it comes from and it won’t be an instantaneous
decision at the end of the year, so the team knows what it is doing. We will
make our plans known when the season finishes. I will make mine known when
the season finishes.
Q: (Dan Knutson, National Speedsport News) I am sure Ross will not want to
answer this, so I will ask the other three – given the pace of development,
how hard would it be if you did decide to take a year off or would it be
nice to go away and have a nice quiet think about things and maybe come back
with even better ideas?
PS: I guess in a way I did actually do this about 15 or 16 years ago when
Rory, who now works with Ross, and myself, and some others, went off to try
and start a new project and it was actually very refreshing. It was very
nice to be able to have actually a little bit of time to answer those
questions that you have been asking yourself for years without the pressure
of having to take cars to a race to perform at a race. It was challenging
but a very nice thing to do. I think if you’re talking about a year’s
sabbatical as sitting on a beach I can think of nothing better at the moment
but I know that within a week or two I would be clawing to get back.
Q: So you would recommend it. Pascal, your feelings about it…
PV: It is something I have never thought about but it is no question for me,
I am still looking for more work.
Q: Sam?
SM: I think it is much too early for me to think about that. But I think it
is a good idea for Ross to have a year off to give us all a breather.
Q: (Panos Diamantis – Car and Driver) I have a question for Mr Brawn,
leaving the tyres apart, he said that the biggest progress with the car was
with the aerodynamics. Can you please explain to me the contribution of Mr
Nikolas Tombazis to that since he came back? How does he change things and
how does he fit in your future plans?
RB: I think if you look at the performance factors of the car, at least
today I think the single biggest factor is probably the tyres, followed by
the aerodynamics, so the aerodynamics are crucial and the area where most
teams progress in a quantifiable way during the year. So, strategically, it
is a critical area of the team and I think we have and have had a very
strong aerodynamic team for many years and Nikolas was part of that team up
until his departure a few years ago and he has actually come back to Ferrari
in a different capacity than what he was doing before so he doesn’t have the
responsibility of the aerodynamic department. He is more involved now with
the design of the car working with Aldo Costa so Nikolas is a very
experienced and knowledgeable guy and of course his experience and knowledge
is beneficial to the team. But I wouldn’t point at anything and say that
Nikolas has specifically done that because a lot of these things were in the
system before he rejoined us. Certainly the design of this car was complete
before Nikolas rejoined us, certainly the design of this car was complete
before he joined us. But to manage properly, having the more intelligent and
capable people you have in an organisation the stronger you will be and he
is a very intelligent and capable guy so he is a big asset to Ferrari, but I
don’t think we can point at anything on the car specifically and say that
was his contribution and there are very few things where you can point and
say one person did that or came up with that idea. There is a system in
place that evolves the ideas, but Nikolas is an asset to Ferrari, for sure,
and I am very glad he came back.
Q: (Niki Takeda – Formula PA) A question for Ross and Pat – which areas of
the opposition do you think are the strongest?
RB: Well, Pat taught me everything I know so that’s a problem. We both know
each other’s thought process so it is something to get around that. We did
work together for a long time, so we tend to think along the same lines. I
think you just know that you have to keep pushing I think and certainly
never give up and try to find steps in improvement for everything on the car
and hope that the opposition doesn’t find as much progress.
PS: It is interesting to be racing against someone who you do know as well
as I know Ross and as well as he knows me because you do try and put
yourself in their place and to think the way they are thinking and it is an
interesting process. I think if you move away from the track and you look at
the way the cars develop and everything – I think we both have quite
efficient organisations and although I have no knowledge of exactly how
Ferrari works – and I am sure it is not very different to Renault – I think
the trackside talent is a great one and I am continually sitting on the pit
wall and thinking ‘well, I wonder what Ross is thinking now?’
Q: (Mathias Brunner – Motorsport Aktuell) For Pat and Ross, when was your
last test for wet conditions?
RB: That’s a good question because there hasn’t been one for quite a long
time. We had a little flash at Hockenheim but it wasn’t very representative.
If we get a proper wet session or even a wet race it is going to be very
interesting to see how they compare because it is several months at least
since we were last at a test and I think what we expect we will see – and I
have picked up some clues – is that we will be better in some wet conditions
and they will be in others. I know we don’t have the situation we had a few
years ago where Bridgestone were very dominant in the wet. I think Michelin
have caught up. There are windows of certain wet conditions where I think we
will have an advantage and other windows where the Michelin teams will have
an advantage and the challenge will be trying to maximise the period where
you have that advantage and minimise the period where you are struggling.
But it will be fascinating when do get a proper wet race.
We can artificially wet Fiorano and I know we did some tests in April or May
and haven’t done anything for some time now.
PS: It’s a good question because I can’t actually remember when we last ran
some wet testing. I believe – and I am talking about Renault now as opposed
to Michelin – we haven’t done any since December last year, but having said
that the Michelin teams do work together in the same way that the
Bridgestone teams do and if you look at the current extreme wet tyre that
Michelin have that I think first came to Canada, it was a tyre that was
evaluated by McLaren. The results were shared with us and it was a big
improvement over the previous tyre and all the teams adopted it as indeed
they have to by regulation with wet tyres so as Renault not done a great
deal recently and a long while since we ran in the wet.
Q: (Steve Cooper – F1 Racing) A question for Pat, will Renault give evidence
at the FIA Court of Appeal hearing and if the appeal goes against you, could
you, or would you, appeal the verdict?
PS: The Court of Appeal process allows all interested parties to appear and
give evidence if they so wish and I believe every Formula One team has been
invited to that hearing. Renault will attend and will put forward a case.
Should the FIA win the appeal against the Stewards’ decision, I think we
would have to consider our position of course, but we are so convinced that
the decision will be upheld – the technical argument is so overwhelming – we
haven’t actually even thought of that process yet.
Q: (Heinz Prüller – Kronen Zeitung) Provided the cars are evenly-matched,
how much do you measure a car by the engine, the aerodynamics, the tyres –
there is an old saying that an engine is worth two or three-tenths, maybe
more, but with a tyre you can maybe get two seconds, as it was in the days
of Jackie Stewart and a bit afterwards. How is it now?
SM: I think it is a pretty similar level to be honest. The only thing that
has happened in the last six months is the engine has become a bit more
significant so your return for every ten horsepower is more than last year
but the return for down-force and tyre grip is much the same and tyres are
obviously a dominant factor, but with aero and engine behind it.
PV: The two dominant factors are tyres and aerodynamics. |