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TEAM REPRESENTATIVES – Pierre
WACHE (Sauber), Paui HEMBERY (Pirelli), Mark SMITH (Caterham), Giorgio
ASCANELLI (Toro Rosso), Adrian NEWEY (Red Bull), Sam MICHAEL (McLaren)
Pierre, welcome, you’re Head of Vehicle Performance at Sauber. First of all,
give us some indication of Mugello testing. Were your findings confirmed
here? Were you satisfied with the test?
Pierre WACHE: Thank you for the welcome. We evaluated a new package and we
were happy to do this test for sure in the middle of the season to evaluate
the new aero package. We did it again today and confirmed what we found in
Mugello.
Your drivers have seemed easier on the tyres in the first couple of grands
prix this year. How did they extract that performance in the first couple of
races but not in the next couple?
PW: All the races are different, all the layouts are different and the last
circuit maybe suited our car less than the other ones.
That’s the only reason?
PW: I think so, yes.
And when it comes to this race?
PW: I hope it will be OK. We will see tomorrow.
It’s an interesting new partnership with Chelsea Football Club. Does that
include more resources. It there a possibility for expansion in terms of
resources?
PW: I don’t know. I’m not really the right person to give this answer. I
think you will have to ask Peter Sauber for that.
Paul, a different range of tyres this year in terms of specification. How
much has the game changed this year in terms of that specification change?
Paul HEMBERY: Predominantly the compound choices have been a little bit more
aggressive. If I take the scaling, the Supersoft tyre stays the same, the
Soft tyre this year is derived from the Supersoft, and the Medium tyre this
year is actually a close relation in terms of compounding to the Soft tyre
of last year. So, there are some similarities to last year but the Hard tyre
in particular is very much different. If we think about last year when we
were here, the harder tyre in particular created quite a few struggles for
the teams to get working. There were probably only two drivers in that race
that got it working. So, yes there have been some changes.
We’ve heard a lot about tyre temperature recently – degradation, wear etc.
Can you just explain to us, because I think the media need an explanation,
about what the difference is and how they affect the cars?
PH: Degradation is a thermal performance loss – that’s from the tyres
overheating essentially, taken to extremes in terms of lap time. Wear is the
physical wear of the tyre which is probably easier for people to understand.
The two are linked, though not necessarily in a parallel manner, but they
are linked. The temperature, well, working range is something people hear a
lot about. Last year we were finding that the Soft tyre, if we take that as
a good example, had a working range from 20 degrees all the way through to
the late 30s. This season we’ve seen that when the temperature dropped
dramatically in Shanghai that caused quite a dramatic change in tyre
performance when it went below 20 degrees. So there’s probably some
sensitivity there, and depending on the cars we were looking at we could see
that the actual temperature of the tyres was less, so we have to imagine
there’s less energy going into the tyre. At the other end because we've
taken a more aggressive approach to compounding you’ll find that when it
gets to the other extremes of temperature, with abrasion or certainly wheel
spin then we will go into an overheating mode. We’ve closed down the range
of compounds and the cars have obviously changed as well, and you put that
combination together and you have a start to the season pretty much as we
saw last year – some question marks that tend to get ironed out as the
season goes on and the teams get to understand better the cars, the tyres
how to get the best out of them all. I think you’ll see over the next few
races that that will be the case.
How concerned are you about the drop in temperature we’re expecting on
Sunday? We saw 44 degrees today but apparently it will be at least 10 less
on Sunday.
PH: No. As I mentioned it’s more likely when you go below 20 degrees, when
it’s cooler. It’ll probably be in Germany or at Silverstone where we’ll get
more of an issue with that.
No problem?
PH: No.
Mark, welcome to you here. Maybe we were wrong but we perhaps expected more
from Caterham this year. What can be done to improve it? What did you find
in Mugello? Has it improved since Mugello?
Mark SMITH: It’s perhaps not unreasonable to have expected more us as a
team. I think we’re all a little bit disappointed with where we are. We want
to perform better. I feel we’ve made progress since last year. You have to
look and measure your performance relative to the teams you’re competitive
with and I think we have made some progress but it’s clearly not enough,
it’s not where we want to be. I think it’s part of being a relatively
immature team, even though there are many people in the team with
experience. To make the team gel and to provide the tools to actually take
the team forward takes a little bit of time. I genuinely think we are on the
road to putting those tools in place, whether it’s personnel or hardware or
software, that’s what we’re working hard on at the moment. In terms of
Mugello, it was useful for further developments that we’re making in the
aero world. I think it’s fairly obvious that’s the area we need to make
significant improvement in. In terms of what we took there and why it’s not
here, in reality we had to commit to something because of the timing of the
Mugello test that we hadn't fully developed in CFD or the wind tunnel
environment.
What about the performance of the drivers? It’s interesting that Heikki has
out-qualified his team-mate four to one, but Vitaly has out-raced his
team-mate four to zero.
MS: I think that as a team we’re very happy with both drivers. Vitaly
joining the team has been a breath of fresh air for all of us. We’ve got two
drivers who are both very motivated and give of their best at all times and
at all locations. We’re totally happy with them.
Giorgio, welcome again. I mentioned the other day the pace of development.
The factory as a whole has expanded - you have more space for development,
more space for people. Is that the case? Is there more development coming
from the team now?
Giorgio ASCANELLI: It is the case indeed. The straight answer is: Do we get
more bits? Yes, we do. Are they good bits? Sometimes.
So what did you learn in Mugello?
GA: Half the things we brought to Mugello worked, half didn’t. We have to
keep looking at it. We couldn’t react on the parts that weren’t working for
here. I think we’ll have another stab at it Canada because Monaco is no
place to do this kind of work.
Interesting that the consistency hasn't always been there. We saw a
remarkable performance from Daniel [Ricciardo], who put in his best ever
qualifying in Bahrain but it didn’t seem to continue in the race itself.
GA: I would say we have been consistently slow apart from the qualifying in
Bahrain, which was really a flower. So, what do you make of it. Not much.
First race - since I’m Toro Rosso we’ve always scored points [there]. No
matter what. No matter whether we have the previous year’s car or we’ve made
out own car, it means we are trying to come prepared to the first race and
maybe someone else doesn’t. Second race was a rolling dice. Third race we
were extremely happy… No, in China we had a technical problem that we fought
for the whole weekend and in Bahrain we were extremely happy with qualifying
and not so happy after the race.
Adrian and Sam, interesting to see both your teams today seeming to do a lot
more work on the car, seeming to do perhaps more than usual. Was this a
continuation today of the Mugello test? Were you still working on test
parts?
Adrian NEWEY: I wouldn’t say this weekend has been any different to the
first four races from how we’ve approached the weekend and so forth.
Sam?
Sam MICHAEL: It’s pretty similar for us as well. We’ve had a pretty
intensive Friday programme of bringing upgrades and taking lots of
measurements throughout P1 and P2 and we had a few bits that we carried over
from Mugello to finish off but we would have had a very similar programme
whether we went to Mugello or not. All the teams are geared up to not have
testing, to not having test teams and that means we’re equipped and do our
planning to do all of that work on Friday. So, it wasn’t any different for
us here.
How important to both of you was that Mugello test? For instance, Sam, your
race drivers didn’t take part in it, whereas Adrian, your race drivers did.
How important was it?
SM: From our point of view it was interesting because we used it to get
correlation. All of our testing is to do with correlation now. It’s not to
dial in the last little bit of the setup. And by running our two test
drivers there we get a straight back-to-back with the guys that do the
majority of the running in our simulator. So, that’s quite important for us
to verify all of our models. I think the test itself, personally, I think
you could do without it. I think it’s a lot of energy and expense during the
season that we probably don’t need. Of course McLaren will gain a lot out of
that test but Formula One is all relative, so all we really did was spend a
load of money. And did we really shift relative to Red Bull or Ferrari or
Mercedes and the people who we’re competing against? I don’t think so.
Adrian, do you feel the same way?
AN: I think we learnt the pasta in Italy is still the best in the world and
that’s about it really. I’d agree with what Sam says. To me, yes you go to
the test because it’s available. We didn’t learn anything… relatively
speaking. I think Sam’s point is valid. We all spent money but the value of
in-season testing has to be questionable.
Adrian, in terms of driver performance this year, how much has changed do
you think? Do you think anything has changed between Sebastian Vettel and
Mark Webber in the first four grands prix of this year?
AN: No, obviously Sebastian’s confidence is high and Mark is very talented
and keeps working so I think y’know, generally Sebastian’s had slightly
better results but it’s been close and I’m very happy with both of them.
Sam, it’s a little bit of a mystery that when you were at Williams you were
technical director there and now you’re sporting director – could you
explain how your duties have changed?
SM: Sure. I work for the senior management group, which means that I work
with all the engineering and technical directors at McLaren. My main
responsibility is the race track and the drivers but I work within that
group in the factory to make McLaren a faster car and a better place.
Very often the sporting director is seen almost as a team manager.
SM: I think if you look in different teams, everyone has different titles,
it doesn’t really mean… it doesn’t necessarily related to what they do
within that team.
QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR
(Ian Parkes – PA)
Question to Sam and Adrian. So many times since in-season testing was banned
we’ve heard teams and drivers bemoan the fact there is no in-season testing,
that they can’t test things, they can’t improve the car etc. So why are you
two guys now bemoaning the fact that we’ve just had an in-season test and
you learnt nothing from it? Sure that was the whole point of having an
in-season test, that you do learn things from it and you move forward.
AN: Neither of us is saying that we haven’t learnt anything from it, it’s
just, has it brought anything in particular of real value? And obviously
because Formula One is a relative sport and in particular relative to your
competition and, as Sam said, since those comments were made we’ve had three
years, or whatever it is, of no in-season testing. We’ve all learnt how to
use Fridays more effectively as test sessions, so the value of in-season
testing has depleted because of that.
SM: same comments
(Daniel Ortelli – AFP) Now that you’ve answered that question, do you think
that in-season testing would be more useful later in the season?
AN: I guess if you wanted to use it as research for the following year’s
car, possibly. But I think the fact is Formula One budget-wise is… things
are tight for a lot of teams and the most expensive thing to do is run the
car. That’s far more expensive than wind tunnel testing or CFD or simulators
and whatever else you might like to name. If one of the major things is to
save costs then I think in-season testing would be one of the relatively
low-hanging fruit.
Anyone else have any further comment on that, Giorgio?
GA: Well, things are extremely profitable when they are the same all the
time. A team evolves itself to adapt to the conditions of operation which
are offered. If you change something you need a different operation. I think
that’s what these two gentlemen have tried to say. They are both structured
team with a lot of infrastructure. For us it’s a blessing to be able to
drive – because we don’t have the infrastructure. Although I agree with
Adrian: the most expensive way to make experience it going around a circuit.
If you don’t, and you have a simulator and a good tunnel you make a good
profit. If you haven’t got a simulator and haven’t got a good tunnel then
you need some running to certify what you do.
Mark, anything to add?
MS: Nothing particularly different to add.
Pierre?
PW: Nothing to add, no.
Paul, did it make a big difference as far as you were concerned or just
expense?
PH: Just expense I guess. But, y’know, we have to follow what the desires of
the teams are. I think if we were to get any use, it would be to go to one
of the tracks where we actually run a Formula One race, [that] would have
been more useful to us.
Q: (Mike Doodson – Honorary) Giorgio, you have worked with some of the true
greats of our sport, you’re now with a smaller team. I wonder if you would
tell us if you see any signs of potential greatness in your drivers and
specifically, can you tell us about the moments in the season so far when
you’ve been most impressed by each of the two drivers?
GA: I think I already said that I think the qualifying in Bahrain from
Daniel has been quite extraordinary. It wasn’t just one lap, the last lap,
it was the whole of Q1 - all runs in Q1, in Q2 and Q3 were extremely good.
It was sort of what I’ve already said about Sebastian Vettel when he set the
famous lap – which I’ve quoted many times – in Valencia when he was running
on full tanks and on used tyres and the lap time was, to my eyes, quite
exceptional. I think that Sebastian made a big step that day when he noticed
that and he thought about it and he could repeat it. Unfortunately we cannot
repeat it yet because the race was another story. It’s down to the drivers
to find the answers in themselves and in us to help them finding answers. I
would say that Daniel has done something that is quite extraordinary. Jev
(Jean-Eric Vergne) has a big heart, he is one of the best fuel controllers
that I have seen in my life but this is only his fifth event and I think we
have to wait a little bit.
Q: (Gary Meenaghan – The National) This year, we have three teams registered
to ASNs from outside of Europe: India, Malaysia and Russia. I’m just
wondering if any of you guys can a point at any time in the future when a
team can actually be based outside of Europe, working from outside of
Europe. I know there were some rumours about Abu Dhabi in the past with Toro
Rosso and you’ve obviously got Malaysia with Caterham as well.
SM: I think it’s possible but whether it can be competitive will depend on…
Strong Formula One teams are made up of good people; whether they can
attract enough good people, that will be the critical thing. It’s definitely
possible from a manufacturing point of view and setting up equipment and
designer, test facilities. That can be done anywhere within reason, but you
need, to be competitive in Formula One, you have to attract good people,
it’s whether they could cross that boundary.
Q: (Ian Parkes – PA) Paul, Michael Schumacher, as I’m sure you’re aware, was
particularly critical of Pirelli post-Bahrain. I just wondered if, as far as
you know, he’s a lone voice in the wilderness, first of all? What did you
make of his comments? Secondly, he mentioned yesterday that he held a
meeting with Pirelli in Mugello. I just wondered if he came away from that
with a better understanding of what you guys are trying to achieve this
season?
PH: Yeah, he had a meeting with some of our engineers – to be honest, it was
a little bit more general than just talking about Bahrain, it was trying to
understand what we’re doing with testing, future development, the way we’re
going forward and maybe hearing from ourselves of some of the constraints we
have. Michael’s obviously a great champion, he’s been the most successful
Formula One driver so of course we listen to the comments, but we also have
lots of comments from other drivers and until they all say the same thing…
We were given an input when we started our adventure in Formula One and
we’re still following that, so while we obviously respect it, it’s one of a
number and we carry on doing our work.
Q: (Daniel Ortelli – AFP) Question for McLaren: there were a lot of comments
about the nose of the car at the beginning of the season. Now you’ve changed
it. How much of a marketing tool was it and how much of a technical
advantage can it be now?
SM: The change that we’ve made here for this weekend is part of the normal
development of the car. Obviously we haven’t changed our chassis and we
wouldn’t plan to do that during the season but you’re always exploring
things like that, whether it’s the nose, bodywork or wings, all over the
car, regardless of what other teams are doing. It’s definitely not a
marketing tool. The only reason why we change the car is to improve the
aerodynamic efficiency. Here we do have a new nose to evaluate but I would
not call it a first order or barely even a second order factor in car
performance.
Q: (Kate Walker – Girl Racer) A question on the young driver test; you have
the option of Silverstone or Abu Dhabi. There seems to have been some
criticism of late about the plans to run in Silverstone, so I was wondering
if the five team figures could let me know how they feel about Silverstone,
and separately, Paul, for Pirelli, you’re going to have two costs now. How
do you feel about that?
PH: I think it’s probably easier for me to start. To be honest, officially,
we’ve only had indications from the teams testing in Abu Dhabi. Formally, we
haven’t had any indication about Silverstone yet, although verbally we did
have a conversation, so we would be keen to know if Silverstone is going to
happen or not.
GA: We have budgeted our resources to support 15 days of testing and we were
counting on the fact that eventually the young driver test would occur at
the end of the year, so that we could sustain it with the engine mileage
which was left over from the races, so a second test in the middle of the
season which wasn’t planned, for us, is half a million? We don’t have it.
AN: To be honest, I think, if you go back to the essence of what the test is
meant to be for, which is to develop young drivers, it’s down to: are you
best off evaluating prospective new young drivers in the middle of the
season or at the end of the season. Personally, I would have thought at the
end of the season because they’re not at a junior formula they’ve been
competing in, they’ve finished their championship, you can see how they’ve
gone, they’ve got a bit more experience. To drop them into a Formula One car
in the middle of the season and then hoof them out again and tell them to
wait until another eight months before you drive it again - I’m not sure of
the value of that.
SM: I’ve got exactly the same view as Giorgio and Adrian. Our plan at
McLaren at the moment is to test in Abu Dhabi. We’re not testing at
Silverstone for all those reasons. Engines is a significant factor, as
Giorgio said. If you want to test at the end of the year, you have so many
part-mileage engines with the race team that all have a little bit of
mileage on them so you can effectively do it for free, in terms of your race
engines. If you try and do that in the middle of the year, you can’t use
your race engines so you have to prepare a special test engine. And also the
point that Adrian made is very important, I think, because if you try and
have it in the middle of the year, and run your young drivers, then you are
running them in the middle of their championship year so you to be at the
end, so that they have finished their Formula Three or Formula Two or
whatever they’re doing and they have the capacity to concentrate on their
Formula One test.
PW: For us it’s quite different. The better compromise in terms of cost
would be to test at Silverstone for plenty of reasons: for logistics and
costs. It would be better to test at Silverstone.
MS: It’s the same for us: logistically and cost-wise, Silverstone sits
better for us.
Q: (Miran Alisic– RTV Slovenia) I have a question for the gentlemen in the
front row; you’ve already been in Formula One for a long time. How would you
compare or judge or comment on the role and significance of the tyres over
three periods, maybe the tyre war, the Bridgestone control tyre and now in
the Pirelli era tyre?
SM: The tyres have always been very sensitive, the racing tyres. At the
moment, you have an extremely close grid because of the technical
regulations and if you look now at the spread from the top 15 teams
(drivers) is sometimes this year only one second, so if you have a small
variation in your tyre grip, where normally if you have a five or six tenths
advantage on the next team, it wouldn’t normally change your position by one
or two places, normally you will drop ten positions if you fall out of that
window. But there’s been plenty of years previously where we’ve had
extremely sensitive tyres to temperature or anything else so I think they
are sensitive, but it’s really magnified at the moment because of the
closeness of the grid. You pay the penalty very badly if you fall out of
that window.
AN: I agree with that. The grid is very tight. The tyres are clearly
different to use compared to the Michelins and Bridgestones, just different,
not to say better or worse, it’s different, a fresh set of challenges which
is good in many ways, I think. If you compare them to let’s say the height
of the tyre war between Michelin and Bridgestone, then you got to the point
where the race was really a series of qualifying laps and the drivers would
therefore push very hard, through the race without worrying too much about
degradation, be it thermal or wear. That’s different now. I think that
brings a different set of skills to the floor, it’s almost a bit like Prost
in the eighties, when he got the reputation for being The Professor,
thinking about how he did the race, and I think that’s coming back which I
think gives some variety, it gives some change in the field both
race-to-race, during the race, qualifying to race. I think that’s all good
for the sport, good for spectating.
GA: The car is stuck to the ground because of four contact points and they
are the tyres and I would say that after drivers, tyres have always been the
most important element of competition, so it doesn’t matter very much if
there is competition between tyre manufacturers or not. You’ve got to know
them, you’ve got to try to understand them. I think that what has changed
over these twenty years – nearly thirty now – is the understanding and of
modelling which is available to us, which in reality wasn’t available to us
thirty years ago when we had to rely on the feeling of the driver which is
still important. There is so much the driver can feel. The nurturing of the
grip level, the two temperatures that Paul was describing, how you find them
and how you cultivate that, how you keep the tyres into it, is probably
still one of the arts of a champion and I don’t think it’s pretty much in
our hands.
Q: (Vanessa Ruiz – ESPN Radio) Paul, do you see Pirelli changing its
approach to the compounds to the point of them playing as big a role as they
do now? I mean lowering the degradation levels, really lowering them, and to
the teams, because we heard a few drivers talking about it: would that be
something that you want?
PH: We work on the input from the teams, so if the teams want us to take a
different approach we can go back to an approach which is probably more akin
to what you’d be doing in a tyre competition. As Adrian just mentioned, you
could push harder with very minimal degradation. You then started getting
into areas of tyre integrity because you start pushing the boundaries of
performance of the tyre but it depends on what the challenge is. We’ll do
whatever the sport wants us to do and at the moment, I think if you’re
looking from the outside, at the start of the season of course the tyres are
very important, but as I mentioned earlier on, that’s the teams getting used
to what would be for them, maybe changes to the car, slightly different
change from ourselves in terms of challenge. As the season progresses you
will see that they will master that. They are very good, all these gentlemen
around here, very very competent and very amazing teams of engineers working
for them. If I took the first winter testing when we came back into the
sport, you would have thought we would be doing 25 tyre changes for a race.
On the same tyre at the end of the season, they were getting probably 25 to
thirty laps out of the same tyre. Things change and the importance for
everybody is that they have the same challenge. The engineers and the teams
will find their solutions, and as the gentlemen have said, the drivers can
also provide some solutions to that.
AN: I think first and foremost, the reason that we’re here is because people
are watching it on television so for the good of the sport, it should not
actually be our choice, it should be what do people enjoy watching?
MS: I think that’s a perfectly reasonable approach. In any case, I think a
team only has so much energy to bring to bear on the task at hand and for
us, as a small team, we’ve got bigger fish to fry than to try and influence
the tyres. We’re perfectly happy with what we have. It’s a challenge and one
that occupies us.
SM: From that point of view, I think the racing’s been very good. It makes
our job extremely difficult but that’s what we’re here for, isn’t it? As
long as you have the consistency of being able to put on a tyre that’s the
same every time, which from our experience with Pirelli it is like that, so
then you’re just limited by your ability to understand the tyre, then it’s
how good a technical job you do with it. And you can’t really argue that it
hasn’t made the racing very good this year. We’re happy with it. |