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YYYYEEEESSSSS!!!!!! GET IN THERE



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Yes quite a few people are happy to see him go.

Count me in

Nothing personal, but this year has been really tough to endure.

Thank you God and cheers to all!!

Over to you Logan……thanks Nick.

I surely wanted him gone. But lets not also forget that his Quid kept us alive. So Thank you Latifi.

Thanks for keeping Williams afloat papa Lafiti but your son has been an embarrassment shown up at Monza buy someone who has never driven a full race and wasn't race fit buy buy

100% Williams
WILL SUPPORT WILLIAMS AS LONG AS We HAVE A TEAM To Support

Thank You, Nico!

Interesting to see if your replacement as gonna be much faster and regulary score points, like almost everyone predicts thats gonna happen...

Hope we dont miss too many $$ in support for this move?

Now is time to move forward and 2023 will be a big year for someone new in the family, who i hope will "hit the ground running". Not uses too long time to learn the car and the tracks...We are here to RACE, not to participate.

More excited to see if we can build a FAST car targetting midfield in 2023.

Now the teams "Weak link" are gone, according to people. There are no excuses for us to make a faster and better car in 2023, because our scapegoat is now gone.

Counting on you, Williams!

Exciting times, indeed.



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I am in shock!!! Peter didn’t mention Red Bull once in that post!! 😂 (just kidding because I am so happy!)

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I am in shock!!! Peter didn’t mention Red Bull once in that post!! 😂 (just kidding because I am so happy!)

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Really exciting times for us. Hopefully we have a plan. A plan that will see us move forward.



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I am in shock!!! Peter didn’t mention Red Bull once in that post!! 😂 (just kidding because I am so happy!)

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Really exciting times for us. Hopefully we have a plan. A plan that will see us move forward.

I am sure there will be a plan with that as the goal and a strategy with tactics to deliver it. The hard bit will be delivering it. Great people and processes required to do that! Not to mention a budget! A good step in the right direction though!

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I am in shock!!! Peter didn’t mention Red Bull once in that post!! 😂 (just kidding because I am so happy!)

☺️

Really exciting times for us. Hopefully we have a plan. A plan that will see us move forward.

I am sure there will be a plan with that as the goal and a strategy with tactics to deliver it. The hard bit will be delivering it. Great people and processes required to do that! Not to mention a budget! A good step in the right direction though!

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THANK FECK!!!!!!!!!

It's hard to overcome the stigma of being a pay driver. Not even winning a race (out of nowhere and on merit) could free Maldonado from the stigma. It's not the pay driver's fault that the team that gives him a seat judges it to be in its best interest. I never participated in the Latifi bashing and I won't now. Good luck to him in his future racing endeavors.

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Not even winning a race (out of nowhere and on merit) could free Maldonado from the stigma.

Perhaps it would've helped greatly if Maldonado showed the ability to deliver to the car's potential across the season and not across one race. You can't expect people to rate you if you crash out of the race on your own 6 or 7 times for every brilliant race performance. The expectations in F1 are much higher than that. If he was at least plain average on his bad day but no, he would crash out and score 0 points most of the time with one of the most competitive Williams cars of the last 15 years.
Even with that Maldonado was almost becoming universally rated as a fast if reckless driver in 2012 but being outpaced by rookie Bottas 2013 and by Grosjean later sank that ship.

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It's hard to overcome the stigma of being a pay driver. Not even winning a race (out of nowhere and on merit) could free Maldonado from the stigma. It's not the pay driver's fault that the team that gives him a seat judges it to be in its best interest. I never participated in the Latifi bashing and I won't now. Good luck to him in his future racing endeavors.

I thought Maldo was brilliant myself. Heart on his sleeve. 110% all the time. Fast on his day! I would put him in the second seat tomorrow! (Too old now of course!)

Disagree. Sorry. Maldo was a joke. Fast every now and again, yes, no doubt but not a grand prix driver. The only guy who could sell sponsorship on the bottom of the car.

Interesting situation now. To put Logan in the car requires a lack of bad luck. NDV maybe we could hook up and let Logan have another go at the F2 crown. I think it really comes down to those 2 guys. RIC is in the mix as well but not sure on his motivation etc.

I mean, if it was a choice between picking a guy who can fling this car deep into the top ten (literally) or a driver who can only fling the car out of last place, you've got to go with option one really, if only for entertainment value and for advertising the cars speed "here's what you could have won! "

That said, I'd hope and expect williams to be able to find a driver that can deliver more consistently than good old pastor used to. With dorilton finances and a budget cap, they really shouldn't be chasing after the money, just go with someone that could turn into a top f1 driver, and potential multiple gp winner or even champion.

Bruno Senna anyone?



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Mick Schumaker is German
Jos Capito is German
What else is German….. begins with P or V!

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Mick Schumaker is German
Jos Capito is German
What else is German….. begins with P or V!

Dont think it's so obvious.

Porsche's/VW's deal with RB collapsed but i think VAG Konzern will be "licking their wounds" until 2024 or 2026, when Alfa Romeo will pull out of F1.

We're now owned by our americans friends, Dorilton, so if VW Group want full control they need to buy them out first..

Cant understand we're not an attractive team for the drives like Alpine, AlphaThauri and Alfa Romeo.

Look at our history!!

We need to get rid of Mercedes. They are not helping us AT ALL. Apparently they uses their power at themselves and McLaren.

I dont want to send the next 5 years in the shadows of McLaren, just because they got better control over their business.

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Cant understand we're not an attractive team for the drives like Alpine, AlphaThauri and Alfa Romeo.

Look at our history!!

We need to get rid of Mercedes. They are not helping us AT ALL. Apparently they uses their power at themselves and McLaren.

I dont want to send the next 5 years in the shadows of McLaren, just because they got better control over their business.

You’ve hit it on the head though Peter - our history. No driver wants to come near us because of our previous poor performances.

This is why the buy out of Williams should have happened long before it did. Although he was arrogant in his comment about not wanting to join Williams, Oscar only thinks what other drivers who decline to join us don’t say. But after the McLaren/ alpine shenanigans Oscar seems quite arrogant anyway.

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Cant understand we're not an attractive team for the drives like Alpine, AlphaThauri and Alfa Romeo.

Look at our history!!

We need to get rid of Mercedes. They are not helping us AT ALL. Apparently they uses their power at themselves and McLaren.

I dont want to send the next 5 years in the shadows of McLaren, just because they got better control over their business.

You’ve hit it on the head though Peter - our history. No driver wants to come near us because of our previous poor performances.

This is why the buy out of Williams should have happened long before it did.

The Williams family kept the team way too long to try to stay independent. They should have sold many years before it happened. They were too stubborn and got us in a slump with no decent and strong back-up plan after Newey, Renault and BMW left..

Thank You, Frank and Claire.

Just to be an independent private team leads to nothing in todays motorsport. Hopefully ww can move on an attract drivers who have learned the basic driving skills and can perform. RB have money and know how to educate young drivers and they cant use all of them themselves and FIA, even though it may be hard to resist the money, probably won't allow three or four RB teams on the grid...



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Peterdebel what do you want Mercedes to do to help us Aston copied Mercedes, McLaren do there own thing,we do our own thing,Redbull sister team get lots of help from Redbull but not allowed to win,Hass gets a lot of help from Ferrari but not allowed to win Alfa Romeo will be phasing out Ferrari in the near future but still gets help from Ferrari but not allowed to win so your logic of Mercedes don't help us we buy in the Engine and gear box from them it's been proven time and again customer teams don't get the full engine maps for race's do you want use to go the Haas route because I don't oh and Pappa Strolls team with a little more help from Mercedes were are the in constructders potion slightly above Williams because they have 2 drivers capable of scoring points not one and since the 44b came out not a better car

100% Williams
WILL SUPPORT WILLIAMS AS LONG AS We HAVE A TEAM To Support

Hmmm...

I think FIA are giving the BIG 3 teams and works teams like Mercedes and Renault, TOO much power.

What about the cost cap, financial "fair play" FIA

How many people have RB, Mercedes and Ferrari to their disposal to develop and test their cars ( in house at the factory) How many to we and Aston have ?

How many hours in windtunnel simulators etc.

Dont say that RB and Ferrari uses the same money on developing the car and "finetune" the engine to their likeiings, as we and Aston do..

Its almost NOT a sport anymore.

Its a money development circus at the best factories with the best brains.

Its not a sport when ALL the participating teams aren't allowed to win.



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Peterdebel what do you want Mercedes to do to help us Aston copied Mercedes, McLaren do there own thing,we do our own thing,Redbull sister team get lots of help from Redbull but not allowed to win,Hass gets a lot of help from Ferrari but not allowed to win Alfa Romeo will be phasing out Ferrari in the near future but still gets help from Ferrari but not allowed to win so your logic of Mercedes don't help us we buy in the Engine and gear box from them it's been proven time and again customer teams don't get the full engine maps for race's do you want use to go the Haas route because I don't oh and Pappa Strolls team with a little more help from Mercedes were are the in constructders potion slightly above Williams because they have 2 drivers capable of scoring points not one and since the 44b came out not a better car

RE: the Mercedes issue, I think what Peter perhaps means, I may be wrong is the comments from Toto either earlier in the season or late last season that 1 team would have to go and the impression is that’s Williams, what hasn’t helped is the engine from Mercedes this year has been crap.

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Peterdebel what do you want Mercedes to do to help us Aston copied Mercedes, McLaren do there own thing,we do our own thing,Redbull sister team get lots of help from Redbull but not allowed to win,Hass gets a lot of help from Ferrari but not allowed to win Alfa Romeo will be phasing out Ferrari in the near future but still gets help from Ferrari but not allowed to win so your logic of Mercedes don't help us we buy in the Engine and gear box from them it's been proven time and again customer teams don't get the full engine maps for race's do you want use to go the Haas route because I don't oh and Pappa Strolls team with a little more help from Mercedes were are the in constructders potion slightly above Williams because they have 2 drivers capable of scoring points not one and since the 44b came out not a better car

RE: the Mercedes issue, I think what Peter perhaps means, I may be wrong is the comments from Toto either earlier in the season or late last season that 1 team would have to go and the impression is that’s Williams, what hasn’t helped is the engine from Mercedes this year has been crap.

I dont know.

But I do know that both Williams designdepartment and Mercedes engine ditto, needs to step up their bid to be better in 2023.

If it takes night shift and late working hours at Grove , abandoning the kids, girlfriend and wife at home.

It has to be it. The fight for succes, don't come cheap and Dorilton must be prepared to pay to accommodate the best possible way for us to prepare for 2023.



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It's hard to overcome the stigma of being a pay driver. Not even winning a race (out of nowhere and on merit) could free Maldonado from the stigma. It's not the pay driver's fault that the team that gives him a seat judges it to be in its best interest. I never participated in the Latifi bashing and I won't now. Good luck to him in his future racing endeavors.

Thank you for your post which echos my thoughts too. But every year , year on, this board has driver bashing that's goes over the top and what is acceptable in my eyes. .

I was going to post up but you beat me to it. We need to realise these are other human beings being discussed and not dummies.

Peterdebel is you read what SB308 said instead of posting rubbish the design team will be given one more try to get the design right if not expect changes in the design team nothing to do with Mercedes input they only supply the engine and gearbox oh and another think McLaren supply the ECU but Mercedes supply the software for the engine

100% Williams
WILL SUPPORT WILLIAMS AS LONG AS We HAVE A TEAM To Support

Great.

Its nice to hear that one of the traditionel teams like us, are working hard behind the doors, knowing that these last years haven't been successful.

Keep in mind im not aiming for podiums or fame right now. Just to be in top 10 with both cars in both Q AND races, trying to consolidate and build for the future.

If the first major step towards this, is to get rid of Latifi, that thats the way we gonna go.

I think we all want the same thing. A degree of success.

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[the-race.com]

A good article assessing potential latifi replacements

Doohan would only be "a loan" from Alpine/Renault..

Jesus...NO.

We want our own drivers! 100 pct. and not be a sort of
incubator for other teams! (unless they seriously upgrade us on aerodepartment or raw enginepower/speed in the corners).

We are not a team who should be pushed around by other teams.

We get nowhere with this.



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Latifi and Williams Racing to part ways at end of 2022

Good.

For balance I was reading an article the other day somewhere where it was saying that LAT received much hate and even death threats over the last GP of 21. That's not on at all and he's only human. Maybe not Fangio Mk2 but nobody deserves that and maybe that hasn't helped him sort his game.

So on a human level that makes me sad and I wish him all the best for his future and his family money has got us through a tough time.

Having read that, I will try to be more respectful for the rest of his Williams career as we've all laid into the guy a bit.

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For balance I was reading an article the other day somewhere where it was saying that LAT received much hate and even death threats over the last GP of 21. That's not on at all and he's only human. Maybe not Fangio Mk2 but nobody deserves that and maybe that hasn't helped him sort his game.
So on a human level that makes me sad and I wish him all the best for his future and his family money has got us through a tough time.

Having read that, I will try to be more respectful for the rest of his Williams career as we've all laid into the guy a bit.

I agree with what you say Ozzy it isn’t acceptable. But on a balance point of view as a Brit and wanting Hamilton to win I was VERY angry with Latifi and never supported him since.

Not like me,as I always support the team drivers but I would never go to lengths of death threats etc - nor appreciate comments on anyone who does..

It isn’t personal for me. He seems a very decent guy. BUT not fast enough in our car. As I have said a million times, thanks for the cash when we very much needed it.

It is always best if at all possible to part ways in an amicable way. Never burn your bridges despite how satisfying it might feel for that split second! Capito seems to agree with this approach. Others in the F1 paddock dont.

Same. I don't hate him. His incompetence was totally unconnected to the title fight. He was just trying to fight mick schumacher. As a max fan, I didn't feel any warmth or cheer from it. Many other decisions played out after that.

I don't think I should spare him his blushes though. Ever since he was totally outclassed by Russell in his first season, it was clear that williams could do a lot better and that the second williams seat was mostly a lost cause for as long as it was in his hands. Its been a mainly boring, borderline dead 3 year journey punctuated by the occasional competent drive and considerably more embarrassing moments which were worthy of comment. Otherwise, he's been totally invisible. I don't think he showed us his very best, a bit like vandoorne, being paired with a top driver in his rookie year broke him, (watch out piastri!) but still, much like Ricciardo this failing experiment has gone on far too long, it will be a relief for both sides when it ends and a few stupid comments online doesn't change how disappointing these last 3 years have been.

I would love to see Ricciardo in our car, as I would have loved to see Alonso in Williams. Quite lukewarm on Vettel if he did not retired, and not sure about about Mick.

Re the young guns, I do not see anyone so special that caught my eye this year, therefore the next best option would be de vries.

My only fear, that the Monza weekend was just a one off, both for our cars and for De Vries, but how the story unfolded it looked like his stars were aligned.

So I would be very careful in branding De Vries as real deal. Having said that we need a real driver, that can push Albon throughout. Hopefully we would not settle for just one good driver and one pay driver. It does not pay, pun intended.

Please keep this thread up to date of someone findes something somewhere on the web on who is the frontrunner for the seat.

We should ask De Vries. "Do you want to drive for us" .

If he says "Maybe yeah"...Then offer him what he wants and good. Signed, sealed and hopefully delivered.

If he says "Are you stronger in 6 months time ?..I dont know.." Then move on. We have to draw a line somewhere and to have drives who wants to write our history in the future.

It depends SO MUCH on IF we can build a fast and reliable car. And that takes a lot of investment from Dorilton.

And the brains we have at Grove.

Agree folks. Just trying to make the point that LAT is a human being and maybe struggling with other stuff. He has no place in F1 but doesn't deserve hate. That is all.

OMG.

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Agree folks. Just trying to make the point that LAT is a human being and maybe struggling with other stuff. He has no place in F1 but doesn't deserve hate. That is all.

Well said that man....

The team will probably be at the back next year too. A reasonable driver would probably rule out every other option before signing for Dorilton. Even test driver roles for more affluent midfielders might be a better career move than racing for "Williams". Or having a sabbatical year and wait for better seats to MAYBE emerge. Or go to WEC or F2 or the Mexican Stock Car Series.

Sargeant will get the seat, I believe. He's the only one who can't bat away Williams' clumsy approaches. Hope he's competent. I think he could be OK. Not a total waste, at least.