Red Bull Racing Canada Team Review


By Ian Lockwood
June 14 2010

“We expected a tough event… we were closer than we thought.”

Car 5 SEBASTIAN VETTEL, Finish Position: 4th, Start Position: 2nd

"I was  surprised  that  I  came  in  for my  first  pit-stop  as the leader,  but came  out  in  fourth.  I think everything we predicted to happen from our side was the case. The others came in early for new tyres, as we expected. Usually though, their race would then be over because they should come out in traffic, but that wasn't what happened. When we came out from our pit stop, they were ahead of us,  so  we  need  to  understand  what  happened  there.  Otherwise,  I  had  a  gearbox  problem  from around halfway through the race, which meant I had to slow down. Also, due to lapped cars, I lost six seconds to Jenson in two laps, so I was unable to fight for the podium. But, it's good that we got these final positions. Coming into the weekend we were not the favourites, but actually we had very good pace and we surprised some people with that. We couldn't really show our real pace during the race, due to the way it unfolded, but it's promising. It's a close battle at the top of the table and, as we have seen, things can change very quickly. There is no reason to panic from our side, we have a very good car and we're looking ahead to Valencia."  

Car 6 MARK WEBBER, Finish Position: 5th, Start Position: 7th

"Tyres played a huge role in the race today and, in the end, we did the best we could. I have mixed emotions after the penalty this morning (Mark took a five place grid penalty due to a gear box change). I had a good first few laps at the start, but that took its toll on the first set of tyres, so I needed to pit a little earlier than I would have liked. In the second stint I was ahead and was monitoring the gap to Lewis. I was moving away a bit at the start, as he was pacing to get to the finish. I was trying to keep my pace constant, but in the end the tyres didn't want that pace and they go away from you. It's virtually impossible to keep the tyres from degrading here, no matter how slow you drive. In the end it wasn't really a surprise to come back out from my second pit stop in fifth, as I knew people in front had been packed up tightly behind Lewis. We then turned the car down to save it for the next race. We expected this to be a tough event and in the end we were closer than we thought. I wanted to get some champagne today, it didn't happen, but we'll be back."

CHRISTIAN HORNER, Team Principal:

"It was an interesting race this afternoon. We tried something different strategically with the hard tyre, but despite managing to get our cars into a one- two position, we didn't have the pace to pull away on the hard tyre. We adopted different strategies for the two cars in the middle part of the race, putting Sebastian onto the soft tyre while putting Mark onto the hard. Unfortunately, halfway through the race, Sebastian had a gear box related issue, which we had to manage to ensure the car got to the finish. Mark finished just behind him after starting seventh on the grid. We shouldn't be disappointed with fourth and fifth, they are still valuable points in both Championships and they have been gained at a circuit that we always knew we would be exposed at."

FABRICE LOM, Renault, Principal Engineer Track Support:

"In terms of the result, it wasn't such a great weekend. We scored some points, but not as many as we expected after yesterday's qualifying result. Having said that, this track is very hard for engines and the positive thing is that we had a trouble free weekend, which is encouraging."

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SydneyF1Fan
14/06/2010 11:03
If Seb had a gearbox problem in the race I can't understand why he was asking his engineer for permission to go for the fastest lap.

Surely he would want to nurse his car to the end of the race without risking breaking it further?

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ck11
14/06/2010 14:02
I think i read somewhere that it was a gearbox oil leak and they were trying to manage that.

There are claims from some people with questionable credibility in other forums that vettel might have been joking.

It is also possible that he didnt think it was serious enough to hinder him trying for the fastest lap. The team had to really plead with him to manage the brake issue at barcelona if i remember correctly?

K1
14/06/2010 14:19
if there really was a leak and he pushed it too hard then wasted a box he would most likely get the same penalty as webber had to take in valencia.

even considering an attempt for the fastest lap was kinda stupid really. there are no points for the fastest lap!! and i doubt whether he really didn't know that he had a gearbox leak!! don't they tell the driver what the problem is? very strange.

growler
14/06/2010 15:28
The radio tranmission tha was played only told Vettel that the team were "managing an issue" - so may be they don't give the detail of the problem - even if he knew it was gearbox related, he probably wouldn't know how severe the problem was - hence asking the team whether it was OK to have a go at fastest lap or not.

No points for fastest lap, but it could result in a nice prize at the end of the season...

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K1
14/06/2010 22:50
well growler it all seems to be rather strange to me. are you saying that there is no information avaiable to warn the driver of a problem by way of readout?

apparently he was aware of a problem from about mid distance of the race. so how would he manage the 'problem' if he didn't know what the problem was?

i would really like to know how this was managed as it is not self explanatory.

Duffer
15/06/2010 05:59
The team simply tell him how to drive and on which settings. I think some people here are looking for things about which to get stuck into Seb with now.

At the end of the day, he never went for it.

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K1
15/06/2010 07:45
so duffer are you saying that when they told him halfway through the race that they were managing a problem,that he didn't ask what it was and just adjusted his engine settings to what he was told to do?

i do not fully understand the sequence of events or the logic behind not telling him what the problem was.

obviously you do so i would welcome any more details that you have as to how the team works when faced with problems such as a supposed gearbox oil leak.

Quickie
15/06/2010 08:36
Isnt it lucky that RB were able to identify Marks gearbox issue before the race

Are RB ensuring Mark is ok as far as risk management given recent events

Was there an option to also manage Sebs gerabox risk pre race or did RB just take the punt on Seb, hence spreading their risk both ways

Interesting decisions if the issue was the same on both cars

Phat might know....look after the stronger driver pre race or something?

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growler
15/06/2010 09:19
Driver doesn't get a "gearbox malfunction" light or readout in the car. The team get info from numerous sensors appearing on the telemetry in the garage, and also back in the factory at Milton Keynes.

To a driver, it probably makes little difference what the actual problem is - he is just told how to manage the situation - by changing rev limits, engine maps etc. Seb in this case was told to short shift (shortly after he had been told to try and overtake the cars in front!).

Telling him what the problem is as he negotiates an F1 circuit at full speed, whilst managing tyres etc isn't really going to add anything. Telling him he has a gearbox issue wouldn't really help him any more either - so why bother? The radio mid-race isn't the best medium for a long winded explanation about which component(s) within the gearbox are under suspision, how serious the issue is, and what the consequences are likely to be.

As a driver you just want to know what you can or can't do. Seb asked whether it would be possible to go for the fastest lap, the team informed him that it wasn't, so he didn't - end of story.

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K1
15/06/2010 11:51
no one is suggesting that the driver be given a 'long winded' exposition re the gearbox. a simple, 'we have a gearbox problem' would surely suffice and also alert him to possible complications.

if he has a leak and the box overheats it could seize and cause a very nasty accident.

i simply find it strange also that webber was closing on vettel and they told him to turn the engine down, why do that? he could of, without too much effort, passed vettel and picked up another couple of points. once again why? it would have been possible within a couple of laps and i doubt whther or not that would have compromised his engine for valencia.

Duffer
15/06/2010 12:33
I agree Webber could have easily caught and passed Seb. I think the team managed that one from a long way off. Mark was lapping VERY slowly with his new soft tyres!

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blight
15/06/2010 14:17
Strange that they refused to say what the problem was during the race. It's not like they had any other teams close behind.

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