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Peter to oust Pedro in favour of Nick before next GP: report


By kineticKid
September 12 2010

According to a report from reputable German journalist Dieter Renck, Pedro de la Rosa was given his walking papers in a meeting shortly after today's Grand Prix, and may have raced for the final time in the pinnacle of motorsport.

Despite performing adequately, often matching Kobayashi for pace in the early part of the season, and bringing financial partners onboard due to his popularity in Spain, Peter may have decided to unceremoniously dump the Catalan to make room for Hinwil favourite Nick Heidfeld, starting at the Singapore GP.

Pedro was seen emerging from the Sauber motorhome with his wife Maria 15 minutes after the race, appearing visibly dejected.

While Quick Nick offers an impressive resume - having performed admirably against formidable teammates such as World Driving Champions Jacques Villeneuve and Kimi Raikkonen, WDC contendor Mark Webber, and Robert Kubica - many F1 observers will feel that this is poor form on the part of Peter Sauber who stands little to gain from releasing de la Rosa before season's end and shows a disrespect to the 13 year veteran of Formula One.

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Peter to oust Pedro in favour of Nick before next GP: report
Discussion started by BMW Sauber F1 (IP Logged), 12/09/2010 18:04
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12/09/2010 18:04
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KineticKid
12/09/2010 18:08
What do you guys think?

Dieter Renck has a pretty good track record, and is also contributor to Autosport, so it probably won't be long til the news appears over there as well.

Walsingham
Walsingham
12/09/2010 19:21
Life's tough. I like Pedro and I like Nick. Pedro had his chance and Nick will achieve nothing being reserve driver of the fifth team in F1. This business is filled to the brim with unrealistic m*****ers. M******rs who thought their a*s would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't. So its high time Nick get a proper racing seat.

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barteks
12/09/2010 19:52
Now on Autosport:

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crusty_bread
12/09/2010 21:59
This has come a bit out of the blue, but it would be move I would welcome.

Only a week ago, it was strongly rumoured that Mexican backing together with a Mexican rookie driver would be Sauber's preferred 2011 option. It may still be his preferred option, but right now, it would seem Peter Sauber has got all the info he can from PDLR, and now wants new info from Heidfeld regarding the 2011 Pirelli's.

The timing is perfect- Key is surely at the point now where he is deciding on the basic dimensions of next year's car. Furthermore, for all PDLR's spanish links, the team's sponsorship budget remains pitiful. I seem to remember a certain driver mugging a constructors position off Williams in the final race of 2009. I guess that would win more money than anything PDLR has brought to the table.

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doppelganger
13/09/2010 01:02
Wow.....most of the old gang is here grinning smiley...

While I think this is a great move by Peter to get Nick back ( with his recent and solitary Pirelli knowledge), ".I find it abit too shrewd for my taste. Guess PDLR had too entries in PS's "little black book". Got his sponsorship money, check, and his McLaren F-duct info, check, and then adios... with the season still not finished. Poor taste in my eyes.....but this is F1. Not for the faint of heart and worst things have gone on.

He could have brought in Nick as a consultant and then let PDLR go at the end of the season. Just thought Peter would have more....hmmmmm.....integrity / respect for a veteran such as PDLR. But after what he's been through in the past year or 2, I can't blame him for trying to give the team the best possible advantages.

Regardless, great news for Sauber, Nick and the team back at Hinwil. Looking forward to next season.



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KineticKid
13/09/2010 02:44
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Walsingham
Life's tough. I like Pedro and I like Nick. Pedro had his chance and Nick will achieve nothing being reserve driver of the fifth team in F1. This business is filled to the brim with unrealistic m*****ers. M******rs who thought their a*s would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't. So its high time Nick get a proper racing seat.

It's true that F1 is the piranha club and worse things than this take place as doppelganger mentioned. But I think you go a step to far in actually trying to excuse this type of conduct, Wals.

I don't think you can make a reasonable argument that Pedro's performance has suffered as a result of age. He has always been a journeyman driver, and has performed at the level that one would've expected of him. If Peter had unrealistic expectations, then he must take responsibility for it. Pedro has done a better job than Schumacher in a similar situation with regard to his pace relative to his teammate. For those reasons I don't think your comment about age applies.

Kobayashi will prove to be a tough adversary for Nick should the deal happen.

Walsingham
Walsingham
13/09/2010 09:59
Im in a Pulp Fiction mood, so I just quoted Marsellus Wallace (Sm100). Age or not age I always tought Nick Heidfeld is better driver than Pedro. Pedro is decent, but Nick in the fast car that suits his style could steal the title from those hot headed error prone youngsters like Seb or Ham. I dont know what was the rationale behind Peter's and Nick's decisions but from hindsight it looks like neither of them made the best choice.

On topic. I read that Nick is official Pirelli tester which makes his sudden move back to active racing bit complicated.

German Rocket
German Rocket
13/09/2010 15:26
Has it been confirmed yet ? hope its true.

I for one, will be extremely glad if Heidfeld can race in Singapore.


He's been gone for far too long.

Walsingham
Walsingham
14/09/2010 09:39
Confirmed by Autosport

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crusty_bread
14/09/2010 14:33
But the question is, can Peter Sauber afford such niceties at the moment?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Heidfeld is simply being used for his Pirelli knowledge, and that the end of the year, money may dictate that Sauber drops Heidfeld for a well backed young Mexican driver. But if so, at least Heidfeld will get 5 races to prove himself in F1's best shop window which may help him secure a race-seat elsewhere for 2011.

Im not sure how well Nick will do vs Kobayashi as the Japanese driver is fast, confident, and he has had all year to familiarise himself, but if Nick can match Kubica, Webber, Raikkonen and Massa, then Kobayashi will probably find he has his hands full pretty quickly.

I agree with Walsingham that Heidfled is good enough to win a title. He outscored Webber when they were alongside each other at Williams, and despite making several errors himself this season, Webber is currently leading the title which speaks volumes I think.

Finally, as nice a man as Pedro De La Rosa is, I must say that in Canada when he gave an in-depth BBC interview after the race, he did sound like a man who had run out of ideas. When Coulthard asked him what was needed to improve the car, he said that lack of testing and poor reliability made it really difficult to know what needed improving, and that Sauber needed a McLaren level simulator to allow them to gather more information. Coulthard looked a bit concerned with that answer, as the testing restrictions this year haven't stopped drivers like Rubens from having a very clear idea of how the car could be improved for the driver.

I said at the time that his interview ended like a bit of a 2011 testing job advertisement, so he may have already suspected that his time at Sauber might be short.



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SauberF1-Canada
SauberF1-Canada
14/09/2010 20:26
I feel bad for Pedro. He's put lots of time in as a test driver, but I guess just couldn't quite get it done in races. Racing a car is much different than testing a car, so perhaps lack of recent race experience was too much for him to overcome. And considering that once Koba found out how to keep the car in the race/on the track, he's been consistently outperforming Pedro.

All in all, I'm happy to see Nick back. I just fear that he may be a bit too far behind and that it'll take too much time for him to learn the car and feel comfortable enough with it to get the respectable results that the car has been proven to be capable of.

Even if Nick isn't sticking with Sauber for 2011, it's obviously win-win for both sides. Sauber gets the best available driver out there at the moment to fill in temporarily for the rest of the season, and Nick gets a race seat so that he's not totally out of the loop for a potential 2011 seat somewhere else. I doubt he'll give Sauber much to work with re: 2011 Pirelli tyres.

Interestingly, since the C29 is essentially the BMW F1.10 core, perhaps Nick won't feel quite as out of place in the car than might be expected, as he probably had some input/feedback and overall technical knowledge from the early design phase?



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Burger King
Burger King
15/09/2010 03:05
Welcome back "Not so Quick" Nick, the tyre knowledge you bring will be very helpful as we all know how quickly you got to the bottom of your tyre issues in 2008, fortunately the Team were then able to fully focus early on the F2009 and BMW were P1 when it came to leaving the sport.The C29 should be painted Excrement Brown in honour of BMW and their parting "gift". Desperate move, What are the salary details?

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crusty_bread
15/09/2010 14:15
A little bit harsh there, Burger King. If a car has an inherent performance characteristic that does not suit one driver, then short of forcing the team to create a B-Spec, his options are somewhat limited. 2009 was a poor one for the team due to different reasons that what you are intimating. They wasted so much time on KERS, that the car was launched looking about as aerodynamically sophisticated as my garden shed.

To put Heidfeld's tyre issues into perspective, as supremely talented as Kubica is, you are in fact only making reference to the sole season Robert outscored Heidfeld, ie- the sole season Heidfeld struggled, and even despite Heidfeld's much publicised struggles that year, he still scored 80% of Kubica's points tally, which is still a fair effort.

TheContrarian
TheContrarian
15/09/2010 23:28
Well...when I saw the news today...been busy...I had to visit the board again to see what everyone is saying.

I have to admit to losing interest in Sauber a bit this season. I felt he should have kept Nick to begin with, especially bringing in Kamui.

That said and being a big fan of Quick Nick's, I am never crazy with the proposition of swapping drivers mid-season. I struggle to find a time when it has paid dividends.

I mean...look at JV and Fisi as a couple of recent examples. Robert's replacing JV does not count, as he was driving the car all year and very well accustomed to it.

I feel badly for Pedro. I have never been a huge fan, but still seems odd of Peter and in poor taste.

I can't see Pirelli letting him walk without signing a confidentiality agreement. All testing is closed. There is no way they will let him share everything with Sauber...at least I cannot believe it in the world of F1 that is very serious business. No other business would allow such activity.

What Nick can bring is a good reference point, yes. He surely saw the data on this car last year when they were starting it. He can see how it has progressed and developed now under Key. He can hopefully provide good data going forward to apply to next year's car.

I don't see Nick here next year, but I could be wrong. I see Peter wanting his feedback, since they can't test. This also gives Nick another showcase to say he has not lost it.

Sorry for the long post...but just what is on my mind.

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crusty_bread
16/09/2010 07:16
I don't feel so bad for Pedro because I will never forget the shameless dialogue that went on between him and Fernando when using Ferrari data. since then, I have felt quite a bit cooler towards him.

Otherwise, I agree with all of your points. Since the testing-ban, it has got worse for mid-season subs. Grosjean, Badoer, Fisichella, and Alguersuari have all struggled. Hopefully Heidfeld's past experiences in performing well at a range of teams, plus his inherent pace will stand him in a better stead, and as has been mentioned previously, this car has probably carried over characteristics from the car Heidfeld drive last year- characteristics he may have helped hone, so it wont be so giant a leap. He has also done more testing that anyone since March, but never the less, it could still be a tough Singapore as he acclimatises.

fingers crossed for some reliability.

As for confidentiality, everyone down the pitlane knows that it wont stop Nick giving very obvious suggestions as to which direction the team should go.

Burger King
Burger King
18/09/2010 08:24
Villeneuve returns to Renault replacing Trulli for last few races challenging but respectable performance against Alonso(on the up!) Schumacher returning to Mercedes challenging & prematururley written off(give him the right car &b look oput still!) Heidfed back at Sauber gonna set the world on fire, yeah right?

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